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| * drobilla pushes new LV2 site to git | 06:46 | |
| drobilla | and so begins the war. | 06:52 |
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| drobilla | New DAWS, no LV2 support. Increasing momentum of VST on Lignux. Near zero adoption on other platforms. New plugin API proposals in the works. Small developer pool. New developers turned off. Widespread anti-LV2 sentiment. Projects dropping LV2 support that previously had it. | 07:00 |
| drobilla | Every excuse for this shit must die. Swiftly, violently, and obviously. | 07:02 |
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| falktx | drobilla: fwiw vst3 doesn't work on linux, so lv2 can still shine here :) | 11:11 |
| falktx | most devs hate vst3 | 11:11 |
| drobilla | falktx: VST devs who don't like VST3 are probably going to like LV2 even less :) | 11:19 |
| drobilla | But I think we need a standard simple C++ wrapper for plugins | 11:19 |
| drobilla | The template mixin stuff of ll-plugins/lvtk seems like overkill, though | 11:20 |
| falktx | just lead those to dpf then | 11:20 |
| drobilla | Honestly I think that's part of the problem | 11:21 |
| drobilla | Not DPF itself I mean, which is pretty nice | 11:21 |
| drobilla | But that there isn't one | 11:22 |
| drobilla | Everyone who did something similar went off the deep-end into a big kitchen sink included "framework" sort of thing | 11:22 |
| drobilla | We need something in lv2-x.y.z.tar.bz2 | 11:23 |
| drobilla | Which is absolutely minimal. A C++ wrapper for LV2 (and extensions), and that's it | 11:30 |
| drobilla | That said, more visible pointers to the projects out there, including frameworks like DPF, is something I'm trying to do with the site | 11:30 |
| drobilla | (same problem with host libs) | 11:34 |
| drobilla | Anyway, 4am, god damnit. g'night | 11:37 |
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| HarryHaaren | drobilla, fresh checkout, make html says "pages processed: 0" http://pastebin.com/UU9dkrnP | 17:57 |
| * HarryHaaren notes, good idea, i'll certainly try contribute something somehow. Perhaps doing UI stuff or such. | 17:58 | |
| HarryHaaren | pelican / md is a nice match for this i think | 17:58 |
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| drobilla | One of these days I'll figure out how to get keyboard events working... | 00:10 |
| drobilla | oh, right. magically works if it's in a bundle. so ridiculous | 00:15 |
| drobilla | Though no console I/O, either literally or in the app | 00:15 |
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| drobilla | rgareus: That one might have made your merging harder. Sorry :) | 01:07 |
| rgareus | drobilla: ? | 01:08 |
| drobilla | so 2/3 platforms have generic event dispatch support now | 01:08 |
| rgareus | drobilla: FWIW, i told you a few days ago that pugl does not compile on OSX - but could not bring myself to fix it pre-merge | 01:08 |
| rgareus | drobilla: I'm not sure if I will like the new pugl API. | 01:15 |
| drobilla | I didn't really expect it to. I think every blind OSX patch I've ever applied broke something :) | 01:16 |
| drobilla | rgareus: Meh. The old one is still there. | 01:17 |
| drobilla | Not being able to dispatch events and pass them around is severely limiting for some things | 01:17 |
| rgareus | drobilla: I had several issues with OSX' flat-namespace too. I declared all interfaces as __attribute__ ((visibility ("hidden"))) and gave them unique names as well | 01:18 |
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| drobilla | ANyone care to try a git clone http://lv2plug.in/git/lv2 | 02:40 |
| drobilla | If you're familiar with git, let me know if it seems sane. Tags in particular, which I have never used, and the migration process is rather odd | 02:40 |
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| drobilla | Oops, didn't push tags. | 03:11 |
| drobilla | There we go http://lv2plug.in/git/cgit.cgi/lv2.git/ | 03:11 |
| drobilla | and we're live http://lv2plug.in/ | 03:48 |
| drobilla | except static and thus considerably less "live" than before :) | 03:49 |
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| -leguin.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 05:20 | |
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| falktx | drobilla: need some help here. can I build lilv-python against python3? | 08:18 |
| falktx | I tried some things but it ends up using python2 | 08:19 |
| drobilla | falktx: no idea | 08:28 |
| drobilla | falktx: even if you run waf with python3? | 08:28 |
| falktx | yep | 08:29 |
| falktx | python3 ./waf configure .... still comes up with python2 | 08:29 |
| drobilla | falktx: try setting PYTHON in your environment | 08:30 |
| falktx | haha, that does the trick | 08:32 |
| falktx | drobilla: thanks | 08:32 |
| falktx | well, kinda | 08:32 |
| falktx | bindings/lilv.swigwrap_6.cxx:3080:31: fatal error: numpy/arrayobject.h: No such file or directory | 08:32 |
| falktx | #include <numpy/arrayobject.h> | 08:32 |
| falktx | bbl | 08:33 |
| * drobilla wonders what "some things" possibly could have been :) | 08:35 | |
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| falktx | got it to build, but iteration fails | 10:40 |
| falktx | for plugin in PLUGINS: | 10:40 |
| falktx | TypeError: iter() returned non-iterator of type 'Iterator | 10:40 |
| falktx | drobilla: patch here http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Paste/repo/BPDPO | 10:49 |
| falktx | untested on python2 | 10:49 |
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| drobilla | falktx: Thanks, I'll try it with 2 | 19:27 |
| drobilla | oh, well, obviously(?) passing -py3 to swig all the time isn't going to work | 19:29 |
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| * drobilla wonders if all these clang warnings about atom alignment stuff means the layout is actually incorrect | 21:40 | |
| drobilla | That would be bad. | 21:40 |
| drobilla | If only the damned size and type fields were in the right order in the event extension, what a wonder world it would have been :/ | 21:41 |
| drobilla | 10 points for any artists in the house who feel like making a favicon that isn't so awful :) | 21:45 |
| HarryHaaren | post to LAU? | 21:49 |
| drobilla | I'm not even subscribed :) Probably should be, but y'know... | 21:52 |
| drobilla | I need to better monitor LA* for "LV2" | 21:53 |
| HarryHaaren | hmm. I think you kinda need to ask, i'd do it, but as "the LV2 guy" its best you do it I think | 21:55 |
| drobilla | A more whiz-bang (but not too whiz-bang) theme/stylesheet is probably more important | 21:56 |
| * HarryHaaren gotta go, email if you need me. Will update my pelican-stuff and checkout new site after the weekend | 21:56 | |
| HarryHaaren | laters | 21:56 |
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| drobilla | But I'll deal with that after the content is sorted out | 21:56 |
| drobilla | Unless somebody else does first, which sure would be nice ;) | 21:56 |
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