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| znebwerx | hi all, i have just installed kxstudio on my laptop for the first time, now i want to use guitarix, but it can't start jack engine. | 11:24 |
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| malez | Hello | 14:29 |
| malez | Do you guys know if samplecat will be incorporated in the repos ? | 14:29 |
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| znebwerx | hi all, how can i keep my jack connections working after system hybernation or standby? | 17:26 |
| znebwerx | the devices always disappear from my patchbay | 17:27 |
| znebwerx | and no way to play guitarix again until rebooting | 17:27 |
| znebwerx | is there any jack configuration option that allows me that? | 17:28 |
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| JackWinter | znebwerx: i think that depends a bit on your soundcard.. | 17:38 |
| JackWinter | for instance on my home machine rme multiface w pci card. i can't suspend to ram, when i come back the multiface is dead. but i've never really investigated the problem as i mostly never turn it off. | 17:39 |
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| JackWinter | on this laptop with a rme babyface on usb, i can s2r when i open it up jack is still running and the clients are connected. just a bit xrun | 17:40 |
| JackWinter | s/bit/big | 17:41 |
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| Llewelyn | JackWinter: That often has to do with the system and how it wakes up when suspended. If the interface isn't reinitialized and up when jack tries to sync after it wakes up it will remove the device. | 17:45 |
| JackWinter | i suspect that it might need the firmware reloaded | 17:46 |
| Llewelyn | Perhaps, could just be how the firmware was coded tho, if the sound card is brought up late in the wakeup process or any of its resources are changed it can make a bit of a mess. | 17:47 |
| Llewelyn | Kinda like Windows does with WiFi | 17:47 |
| JackWinter | i also tried to remove the module, but it has so many dependencies, and since i don't really need to suspend that system, i let it slide ;) | 17:47 |
| Llewelyn | I have no idea why so many WiFi drivers are so dirty in that respect but they often fail to wake up properly. | 17:47 |
| JackWinter | i suspect that no one cares. the want to sell something, so they have someone write the basics. i guess we should be happy they (possibly) funded some development. so it kind of works, let's ship it. | 17:49 |
| Llewelyn | Essentially, they have new hardware to design and ship and they need more money for that... half done is good enough... looks like it works most users will just deal. | 17:50 |
| Llewelyn | Nothing /lives/ long enough to get fixed. Having things replaced with an updated model every 6 to 12 months doesn't seem to mesh with long term support. | 17:51 |
| JackWinter | the only thing that really is a bit iffy on my laptop except when systemd or kde gives me problem is the intel bluetooth and logitech bt mouse. sometimes it won'd reauth and i have to switch to a VT, and run a command to make it reinit and scan again | 17:51 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: Nasty. Thankfully I've not had any issues with my Logitech Unifying devices on Arch Linux. | 17:52 |
| Llewelyn | systemd and I argue frequently. | 17:52 |
| JackWinter | the best is if i want to reboot in windows i have to reath the mouse, and when i come back to linux the same. really well done. but i never really boot windows, so not really a problem | 17:53 |
| JackWinter | no, those normally work fine. wanted a bt mouse so that i didn't have an usb dongle, one thing less to lose, and one thing less to cause problems with my audio | 17:54 |
| Llewelyn | Interesting. Must be some extra token the bluetooth is including for security that makes it want to reauth after meeting a new OS which in spite of probably having the same host MAC it recognizes as a new and unique device. | 17:54 |
| JackWinter | yeah, i suspect something braindead like that | 17:54 |
| znebwerx | thanks for so many replies i will save the og and read later | 17:54 |
| JackWinter | znebwerx: the upshot of it, is that it probably depends on your soundcard.. | 17:55 |
| znebwerx | my interface is digidesign mbox2 and appears to be plug and play fully supported in jack | 17:55 |
| JackWinter | you might be able to script it to unload drivers or something before suspending | 17:56 |
| JackWinter | is that usb? | 17:56 |
| znebwerx | yes | 17:56 |
| JackWinter | what jack do you use? | 17:56 |
| znebwerx | i thing its qjackctl | 17:56 |
| znebwerx | it starts from cadence suite | 17:57 |
| JackWinter | yeah, that's the gui. but jack comes in 2 flavours. jack1 and jack2. if you use jack2, maybe try with jack1 | 17:57 |
| JackWinter | hmm, then it's probably jack2-dbus. maybe it has some bug. | 17:57 |
| znebwerx | are they both pre installed in kxstudio? | 17:58 |
| JackWinter | falktx would probably know if suspend should work or not | 17:58 |
| znebwerx | how do i know what version am i using | 17:58 |
| JackWinter | sorry, forgot that we are in the kxstudio channel. i use archlinux and don't really use kxstudio | 17:59 |
| JackWinter | i am 98% sure that it's jack2 with dbus. maybe something is wrong with dbus... | 17:59 |
| znebwerx | i downloaded qjackctl because it seemed like there was no jack engine installed | 17:59 |
| JackWinter | seeing that it's an usb interface, and that i can suspend with an usb device, chances are that it might be fixed | 18:00 |
| JackWinter | afaik kxstudio is just one guy doing it for free in his spare time. it's a huge area to cower and it's probably not a high priority | 18:02 |
| JackWinter | there is also a no zombify parameter for jack, maybe that one could help. but i don't think you can easily set it in qjackctl | 18:04 |
| Llewelyn | Sadly the bluetooth on my linux system also comes from a dongle. The funny Dell wireless riser doesn't support the breakout for the bluetooth in the 7620 AC tho in desktops they is done over bluetooth usually anyway. | 18:05 |
| JackWinter | kxstudio normally doesn't use qjackctl, maybe try to run cadence. that's the heart of the system, maybe it'll work better then | 18:05 |
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| JackWinter | i removed the broadcom wifi/bt pciexpresscard and replace it with an intel 7620 due to it causing xruns. | 18:07 |
| Llewelyn | I'm also on Arch Linux and I'm not sure which jack ships with kxstudio. | 18:07 |
| JackWinter | turns out all 4 usb ports on the laptop is on the same irq and the wifi/bt... the laptop has 15-20 unused irqs... ;S | 18:08 |
| JackWinter | by default it's 100% sure that it's jack2 and i think it normally runs jack-dbus | 18:08 |
| Llewelyn | That is a very odd way for the PnP bios to handle it. Essentially all the ports are on one root hub I suspect. That would probably make for some issues with USB performance. | 18:09 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: I think jack2-dbus is the most common variant shipped now as it integrates well with pulse and such. | 18:10 |
| JackWinter | i think the 4 ports are on the same hub and it's hardwired together with wifi/bt, but i can't remember all the details. the important part is that it works. | 18:19 |
| JackWinter | it's an asus 17" haswell. the really great thing is that the cpu overheats when running big projects or compiles, so i have to disable the turbo mode... | 18:20 |
| JackWinter | but i don't really mind, it runs audio fine, and the screen is nice and non reflective. but the engineering really leaves something to desire. but as you say, sell a shoddy product, doesn't work well, buy another ;) | 18:21 |
| JackWinter | it's hard to get a good laptop for audio work, especially with a non reflective screen | 18:21 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: In laptops the wi-fi/bt is often just connected to a fancy ass internal USB connector. Dell is notorious for that. | 18:22 |
| Llewelyn | I do prefer matte screens to the damn shiny glossy things that collect fingerprints and smudge all to hell. | 18:23 |
| Llewelyn | I wager a single root USB hub was a nice way to save some $$ in production. | 18:24 |
| Llewelyn | Probably saves them quite a few traces and space on the mainboard. | 18:24 |
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| JackWinter | yes, i think so. i seem to remember them hanging off the usb hub, which is kinda weird since it's pciex (or mini pciex) or whatever it's called | 18:46 |
| JackWinter | so everything on the same damn irq, while the machine has loads of them free | 18:46 |
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| JackWinter | but it can run the babyface at 64/2 without xruns, but as i start to pile on the fx load, i have to increase. seems ok with big loads at 128/3 | 18:53 |
| JackWinter | too bad that rme doesn't write linux drivers...:S | 18:53 |
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| Llewelyn | JackWinter: Humm... that would be odd but no stranger than the SATA over USB SoCs do. | 19:30 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: There is no option in the bios to assign the usb or wi-fi/bt to different irqs? | 19:31 |
| JackWinter | no, not at all. | 19:50 |
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| vlad__ | Hello dear friends. I write here about one bug: https://github.com/falkTX/Carla/issues/397 | 20:29 |
| vlad__ | Is it difficult to fix it? | 20:29 |
| Llewelyn | JackWinter: Figures, lots of laptop firmware locks that shit out. One might hope in the best case scenario on a UEFI/PnP Friendly/Aware bios the OS would get to assign them. | 20:29 |
| vlad__ | Can I ask developers to look onto it. Because I cannot play guitar tremolo with it =) | 20:30 |
| vlad__ | I use for stroke down (by mediator): <group> loop_mode=no_loop sw_lokey=B0 sw_hikey=B0 sw_last=B0 group=1 off_by=2 trigger=attack | 20:31 |
| vlad__ | And for stroke up: <group> loop_mode=one_shot sw_lokey=B0 sw_hikey=B0 sw_last=B0 group=2 off_by=1 trigger=release | 20:31 |
| vlad__ | https://pp.vk.me/c631616/v631616447/437a2/jlnrdq8dUQI.jpg | 20:32 |
| vlad__ | Sorry me for "spamming" and thank you =) | 20:33 |
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