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| falktx | shit | 10:24 |
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| falktx | so much for staying quiet | 10:25 |
| falktx | https://github.com/ccherrett/oom/issues/124#issuecomment-149170602 | 10:25 |
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| chris___ | hey folks! just switched from crunchbang with kxstudio stuff on top to a fresh install of kxstudio. great work! | 13:53 |
| chris___ | I'm not a huge fan of kde; I'd like to use openbox as my window manager (and sort of DE). what is the best way to remove KDE and still keep all the kxstudio programs? | 13:55 |
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| falktx | you're quick | 14:00 |
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| falktx | oh | 14:00 |
| falktx | you didn't had to remove crunchbang | 14:00 |
| falktx | kx repos work on all debian based distros | 14:00 |
| falktx | so you can keep crunchbang and kxstudio at the same time! | 14:01 |
| chris___ | falktx: good point- I removed it for an unrelated reason (I somehow corrupted my nvidia/display setup and couldn't start X anymore.) I took that as a good time to try a fresh install of kxstudio | 14:02 |
| chris___ | falktx: so far I'm loving it! you've done a fantastic job | 14:02 |
| chris___ | falktx: also I'm in love with claudia, carla, and your other apps. incredible | 14:03 |
| falktx | :) | 14:03 |
| chris___ | falktx: I installed openbox and am choosing that as my environment when I login, but it looks like bits and pieces of KDE are still being used to draw some GUI elements. Maybe I should just read up on how DE/WM/etc work together | 14:05 |
| falktx | if you selected the kxstudio theme option after install that's normal | 14:06 |
| chris___ | falktx: ok, cool. that makes sense | 14:06 |
| chris___ | falktx: so if I were to remove everything KDE, perhaps that would allow openbox to control the GUI? | 14:07 |
| falktx | no | 14:14 |
| falktx | the config files are already there | 14:14 |
| falktx | the most important ones are the ~/,gtk* stuff | 14:14 |
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| chris___ | falktx: ok, not entirely sure I understand... to prevent KDE from controlling the GUI I should edit the config files in ~/.gtk* ? | 14:31 |
| chris___ | falktx: in the end though, this is a super tiny issue– doesn't really matter | 14:31 |
| falktx | it's because gtk apps read that file | 14:37 |
| chris___ | falktx: ok | 14:37 |
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| viccuad | falktx: Hi, I'm currently in the process of packaging DrumGizmo for Debian, I have been notified that it is already packaged in the kxstudio ppa repo. So that makes me wonder: would you be open to work with debian to have all that software included in the debian repos? thanks in advance | 16:17 |
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| falktx | viccuad: you're fully free to use any of my packages. take them, fully free of charge :) | 16:29 |
| falktx | but kx and debian have different goals | 16:29 |
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| viccuad | falktx: I'm glad to hear that. I was wondering if you would like to make that packaging effort in Debian, and that way let the packages migrate to Ubuntu | 16:36 |
| viccuad | falktx: could you elaborate a bit on how kx and debian have different goals? | 16:37 |
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| falktx | I had a long discussion with a debian multimedia maintainer once.. | 16:37 |
| falktx | basically its something like | 16:37 |
| falktx | for kxstudio I want generic packages that work on all distros | 16:38 |
| falktx | which means compiling some libs as static | 16:38 |
| falktx | also I want all stuff optimized if possible | 16:38 |
| falktx | and I also want backports for all audio apps, not just minor updates | 16:38 |
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| viccuad | falktx: I see. I would say all these would be a perfect use-case for the upcoming debian bikesheds (they are developer repos using the PPAs tech) | 16:51 |
| viccuad | I understand that as a developer, the Linux ecosystem is not as perfect as it could be. Maybe in a couple of years with projects like xdg-app, limba and the like, developers will have runtimes to target, that would suit kxstudio necesities | 16:52 |
| holstein | well,its just somewhat diverse.. | 16:53 |
| holstein | making it challenging to target one thing.. since, its completely open, the ecosystem literally cant be more open | 16:53 |
| holstein | but, that is a lot to expect of developers.. "just completely immerse yourself in each technology.. " ;) | 16:53 |
| viccuad | true | 16:53 |
| viccuad | I'm really hoping xdg-app and it's runtimes takes hold, that would equalize the ecosystem | 16:54 |
| holstein | i cant see equalization as a negative.. but, you never know | 16:54 |
| viccuad | of course, statically compiling things and the like poses its own risks | 16:55 |
| viccuad | security for one | 16:55 |
| holstein | there is always compromise | 16:55 |
| holstein | and, then, if the community is split about it. that can be a mess | 16:56 |
| holstein | "in wont use that crap.. and i will lash out at those who do!".. then, the developers see it as a bit of a mess.. | 16:56 |
| holstein | but, that, as i see it, can alwayys work its self out | 16:56 |
| holstein | personaly, i think it would be great to have more funding from interested parties.. companies selling pro-audio gear.. but, hopefully, *if* that were a thing, it would be kept as open as it now is | 16:57 |
| holstein | the open-ness is key, i think. thats the strength of the entire ecosystem.. "you dont like it? its all open, change it.. fork it!".. | 16:58 |
| holstein | "you cant fork it yourself? pay someone else to.." | 16:58 |
| viccuad | that tends to happen once the specific technology becomes infrastructure | 16:58 |
| holstein | i mean, its not an elegant//simple answer, but, its allways an option | 16:58 |
| viccuad | falktx: is there a way I could read that discussion with the debian multimedia maintainer? | 17:03 |
| falktx | it's in the irc logs | 17:03 |
| falktx | but I don't remember the date :( | 17:03 |
| falktx | http://linuxaudio.org/irc/kxstudio/ | 17:04 |
| LAbot` | Title: #kxstudio IRC logs | Linuxaudio.org (at linuxaudio.org) | 17:04 |
| viccuad | falktx: thanks | 17:05 |
| viccuad | falktx: do you remember the nick, or something relevant? | 17:06 |
| falktx | aaahhh hmmm, the nick no | 17:06 |
| holstein | looks like, its not in my personal back log.. | 17:06 |
| falktx | fsateler | 17:08 |
| falktx | Tue Sep 9 17:41:48 2014 | 17:09 |
| falktx | that's not it :( | 17:09 |
| viccuad | I downloaded the logs with wget -r, and used ack on it, no luck :/ | 17:17 |
| falktx | ah yeah, that part was when the logs were off | 17:19 |
| falktx | or better said, not yet on | 17:19 |
| falktx | I keep changing pcs so I don't have it here :( | 17:20 |
| viccuad | falktx: I have to say that enabling optimization and backports it's perfectly doable with the official debian repos :) | 17:21 |
| falktx | but at what time frame? | 17:22 |
| viccuad | if you are the maintainer (as you currently are), at your time frame. Once you are the debian maintainer, you have upload rights for your packages | 17:24 |
| viccuad | and you could have help | 17:25 |
| falktx | thing is, I want *less* things to do | 17:31 |
| viccuad | then I would say packaging that software for Debian would be a good idea. You are already packaging the software in your own repo, package the software in a shared repo and people will chime in | 17:34 |
| viccuad | that means more users -> better ecosystem -> more users again -> more donations to yourself | 17:37 |
| falktx | also much less time | 17:39 |
| falktx | as I said, I want *less* things to do please | 17:39 |
| viccuad | you are already packaging the software, you aren't going to lose time | 17:39 |
| falktx | even updating the kx stuff is taking me too long now | 17:39 |
| falktx | I am | 17:39 |
| falktx | I need to adhere to all those rules | 17:39 |
| falktx | I need to get input from every single package to make it perfect | 17:40 |
| falktx | learn a new entire process of package submission and reviewing | 17:40 |
| falktx | and have lots of patience fixing all the little things | 17:40 |
| falktx | I don't have time for that | 17:40 |
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| viccuad | you don't have to do it all alone; eg: calf is already packaged in debian and you are repackaging it | 17:41 |
| viccuad | well, I guess the conversation is over | 17:42 |
| viccuad | I'm starting to think that falktx may prefer to have a narrow ecosystem, for reasons | 17:47 |
| viccuad | since he is just duplicating already done work by debian people, for the sake of it | 17:47 |
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| kxstudio | o | 23:58 |
| holstein | o/ | 23:58 |
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