Friday, 2015-07-03

mc888(ardour-4.1.0:2123): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve",00:00
mc888checked my theme and my colors in system settings, both are set to kxstudio00:01
mc888not sure where to go from here00:03
distrozappermc888, sorry I don't use ardour that much, let me try..00:03
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mc888thanks00:03
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distrozappermc888, what distro are you running?00:08
mc888kxstudio00:09
mc888hang on00:09
mc88814.04.2 LTS kernel 3.13.0-55lowlatency 64 bit00:09
distrozappermc888, good.00:16
distrozappermc888, I cannot replicate this error. Does it occur on purely starting ardour4?00:17
mc888well I havent tried ardour 3 since 4 came out00:19
mc888but it also happens on the subscriber build00:19
mc888(ardour-4.1.262:2233): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve",00:20
mc888and I just found the default ui is looking for the clearlooks engine00:20
mc888ok its in ardour3 as well00:22
mc888(ardour-3.5.403:2425): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve",00:22
distrozappermc888, do you use ardour packaged version or self-built version?00:23
mc888Ive just been launching from a SH and didnt even know00:23
mc888packaged00:23
mc888I figured if its a theme / engine issue, it would be a kxstudio thing rather than an ardour thing00:23
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JohnnyLnot possible to boot kxstudio from a usb stick.00:24
JohnnyLtrying ubuntu but having trouble booting from a 4096 byte sector externel hard drive.00:25
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distrozappermc888, um well sorry, no more idea for that atm. Would you like to file an issue/bug report please?00:27
mc888think I should? ok, where00:28
JohnnyLi literally cannot install to this new hard drive.00:30
distrozapperJohnnyL, welcome back :) It must be possible to boot kxstudio from USB, it ran fine for me (you won't read me here if it didn't :))00:30
mc888hi johnny, I had no problem - I think I used pendrive00:31
mc888format to fat32 and use 'unlised' iso00:31
mc888unlisted, sorry00:31
JohnnyLdd shoul've worked.00:33
JohnnyLanyway, ubuntu works fine from both usb sticks i tried to use with kxstudio. so not much.00:34
mc888but it didnt ;)00:34
JohnnyLnow i'm getting this error with ubuntu.00:35
JohnnyLit wants a 512 block size but my physical block size is 4096.00:35
JohnnyLUnits: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes00:37
JohnnyLSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes00:37
JohnnyLI/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 33553920 bytes00:37
JohnnyLAlignment offset: 512 bytes00:37
JohnnyLmc888: dd writes from block 0.00:41
JohnnyLit is as it is.00:41
JohnnyLbbl00:44
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distrozappermc888, still investing, please hold the line00:48
mc888ok sure00:49
distrozappermc888, you are sure you did an apt-get update -> apt-get dist-upgrade?00:53
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mc888distrozapper, got an unrelated question when you get a chance00:56
distrozappermc888, OK00:56
mc888in software sources, I have ppas for kxstudio from both trusty and lucid00:57
mc888is it a good idea to purge the lucid packages from 14.04.2?00:57
distrozappermc888, no don't purge lucid atm.00:58
mc888ok thanks00:59
distrozappermc888, lucid serves as a stable base for kxstudio (for backward compatibility concerns as far as I understand)01:02
mc888right, so older apps or plugins may call the libs or something01:02
distrozappermc888, yes, that is the thing01:03
mc888no problem, glad I didnt do it :p01:03
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distrozappermc888, sorry there seems to be no explicit place to report qt issues with ardour4 on kxstudio. Best practice would be to hang on here until falktx is present.01:13
mc888heh01:14
mc888Im not around during the day on weekdays, I work and in another time zone01:14
mc888maybe we could just cut and paste our conversation and email it to him01:15
mc888let him check into it as time allows01:15
distrozappermc888, good idea01:15
mc888hey, thanks a lot for your help01:15
mc888Im sursprised this goes back as far as A301:16
mc888but it could help sort out some crashes that are gtk related01:16
mc888the clearlooks engine appears to be a new thing in ardour401:17
mc888I didnt find the same rc files in the ardour3 etc01:18
mc888sorry no, its in there01:20
mc888ardour3_ui_dark.rc01:20
distrozappermc888, I was not of much help in this, sorry, but thanks for this fine conversation !01:20
mc888no, you helped a lot, thanks01:20
mc888see you l8r01:22
distrozappermc888, have a nice night/day ;)01:22
mc888exactly :)01:22
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maitakeAnyone have any ideas why carla seems to refuse to find my Windows vsts?01:49
maitakeI have installed carla and the bridges through the repo01:49
spectromasmaitake: you have wine installed?02:39
maitakeYes I do02:39
maitakeIt installed with the carla packages02:39
spectromasmaybe have a look through the PATH settings?02:40
maitakeI finally got carla to load them in the standalone client.. They spit out an error in the carla rack inside bitwig02:40
maitakeSays this when I try to add a vst to the rack: Timeout while waiting for a response from plugin-bridge02:42
maitake(or the plugin crashed on initialization?02:42
spectromasis that wish any plugin?02:44
maitakeI'm just testing synth102:44
maitakeIt loads fine in normal carla it seems02:44
maitakeGui appears and functions02:45
spectromascarla git or stable?02:45
maitakeOh02:46
maitakeStable I think02:46
spectromasmaybe try the git, it's just a guess though, not sure what might be happening02:46
maitakeI added the repo and installed every package from there02:46
maitakeIt's okay02:46
maitakeGoing TO give it a rest tonight anyway. Hands hurt02:47
maitakeThanks for your help02:47
spectromasI think there's a beta package in there02:47
spectromasno worries, hope you fix it somehow sometime :)02:47
maitakeCool02:47
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JohnnyLOk. going to attempt to install kxstudio onto my new ubuntu04:49
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JohnnyL'm getting feedback. what do i do?06:07
JohnnyLi think it's ardour track/system caps.06:08
JohnnyLcan't seem to find the input for my interface/keyboard.06:11
JohnnyLah need to select my device.06:14
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JohnnyLqjackctl locks.06:18
JohnnyLgreys out.06:18
JohnnyLah sudo qjackctl06:20
JohnnyLtrying to select jack instead of alsa at ardour4.1 dialog. locks.06:21
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JohnnyLanyone?06:43
JohnnyLit's not hearing my interface/keyboard.06:48
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thorfinnHello07:31
thorfinnDoes anyone know how to get digits plugin installed http://www.extentofthejam.com/07:32
LAbotTitle: Extent of the Jam (at www.extentofthejam.com)07:32
thorfinnI tried to install it but It just stopped07:33
thorfinnsaying http://www.extentofthejam.com/07:33
LAbotTitle: Extent of the Jam (at www.extentofthejam.com)07:33
thorfinnsorry I was going to say: ./install-digits.sh: 22: read: arg count07:33
thorfinnAnd the installation stops07:33
thorfinnnever mind I got it work07:36
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JohnnyLanyone here a usb master?08:42
distrozapperJohnnyL, no USb master, but I got a M-Audio FastTrack Pro, if that is why you ask.08:53
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alexpolevoyHello there. I'm having several problem with Carla. I'm building a Carla setup for home rehearsals with my guitar player. The problems are that I can't use plugins I want to: EQ10Q just hangs Carla (it segfaults), Calf Equalizer 12 band shows no FFT analysis window at all Here's a screenshot of Calf EQ in Carla: http://postimg.org/image/owr4we8y1/full/12:21
LAbotTitle: View image: png (at postimg.org)12:21
alexpolevoyBoth of plugins work excellent in Ardour12:22
alexpolevoyWell, I can use any other EQ in my case, but it's not a solution since plugins which are supposed to work in Carla do not12:24
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rghvdbergstrange bug in Hydrogen12:26
falktxalexpolevoy: 1. eq10q plugin is broken, doesn't work too well on non-gtk hosts12:26
falktxalexpolevoy: 2. calf plugins is a known "issue" (not a bug, it's a feature)12:27
falktxalexpolevoy: you need to disable "use ui bridges" in the engine options to see calf graphs12:27
rghvdbergwhen using midi output on an instrument and  notes are closer together (1/8th) two midi off notes - velocity 0 are sent , stopping the second note short.12:28
rghvdbergam I making sense ?12:28
falktxI guess12:28
rghvdbergmm  ... when I load a plugin in carla and set midi control to channel #2 notes played on channel 1 are still played ?12:32
falktxof course12:42
rghvdbergit's only for control messages, not notes off ?12:44
rghvdbergnote on/off messages I mean ..12:44
falktxmidi control channel is to control carla's stuff12:45
falktxthe midi keyboard below sends through that channel12:45
falktxnote that it gets disabled when you set it as "N"12:45
falktxand for controlling dry/wet/vol/balance12:46
rghvdbergaha ..12:46
rghvdberglooking for a plugin to split the midi stream12:47
rghvdbergChannel Filter does work .. does need a lot of toggles switching off ..12:47
rghvdbergthinking of entering OSC 77 on kvr, using carla as the pluginhost for Charlatan12:48
rghvdberghttps://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-77-charlatan-212:49
falktxthat looks like a simple synthedit made plugin12:52
rghvdbergI guess so12:53
rghvdbergthe synth doesn't really matter to me. It's a good excersice. And most of all .. it's fun12:54
rghvdbergwell ... it's in 64 bit, so I guess no synthedit12:54
alexpolevoyrghvdberg: there's an LV2 version of MIDI Split plugin. It has one input and 16 outputs12:55
rghvdbergoh ...12:55
alexpolevoyrghvdberg: also, it exists as Carla's internal plugin also12:56
rghvdbergyes !12:56
rghvdbergthat is EXACTLY what I need12:56
rghvdbergsequencing drums in hydrogen is so much easier12:57
rghvdbergbut the note off thing bothers me12:57
rghvdbergis it a known bug ?12:57
alexpolevoyrghvdberg: why not Ardour then? Version 4.0 kicks ass12:57
rghvdbergworking in 4.112:57
rghvdbergit kickes to mostes of asses of all .. :-)12:58
alexpolevoyrghvdberg: didn't update yet, need to install12:58
rghvdbergnever got anyting done in 3 .. 4 ... everything works12:58
rghvdbergdid have some crashes but nothing serious. I suspect some win vst plugins. I'm not gonna nag about that.12:59
rghvdbergok, gonna fill the kiddy pool !13:00
rghvdbergcya l8r13:00
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mc888hi all15:49
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alexpolevoymc888: hi16:02
mc888hi alex16:05
mc888are you familiar with carla bridge?16:06
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alexpolevoymc888: a little16:46
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JohnnyLanyone know how to get ardour to work under kxstudio/ubuntun? I'm not sure if my qjackctl is configured right. I'm just not getting a signal.17:19
JohnnyLhello?17:33
JohnnyLi got disconnected.17:33
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holsteinJohnnyL: qjackctl is just the GUI to configure jack..17:46
holsteinanyways, i see you have cross posted, so, i'll just wait to see how it goes for you in #ardour.. cheers17:47
JohnnyLholstein: yes, and my default ps defaults to '/usr/bin/jackdbus auto'17:48
JohnnyLno parameters , unless they are read by a file?!17:48
JohnnyLholstein: ok thanks.17:48
JohnnyLholstein: i spent 3 hours trying to get this to work last night when no one was around.17:48
holsteinlol17:48
JohnnyLi installed kxtudio default settings.17:49
holsteini spent around 2 years, migrating my studio to linux17:49
JohnnyLi tried to use kxstduio but it *REFUSED* to boot off my usb stick.17:49
holsteinnot many promise linux support for hardware, so, supporting it your self can be a challenge17:49
JohnnyLkxstudio17:49
holsteini say, tyr and isolate that, as much as possible. dont add issues17:49
JohnnyLholstein: i've had this configuration working before.17:49
JohnnyLsame hardware.17:49
holsteinyou go from "jack doesnt work" to "my stick wont boot"..17:49
JohnnyLi think it's jack.17:50
holsteinif the stick or iso is bad, it wont boot.. but, thats all *before* anything to do with jack17:50
JohnnyLyes. kxstudio installation doesn't work from usb.17:50
holsteinworks for me17:50
JohnnyLi already installed ubuntu.17:50
JohnnyLholstein: dvd or usb stick?17:50
holsteinubuntu should work fine, as well, but stock ubuntu is not made to work "out of the box" with jack17:50
holsteinso, you'll have more steps17:50
JohnnyLi have installed debian from the same stick.17:50
holsteincool17:51
holsteinso, that means, you are assuming the stick is still good, and are you also assuming the downloaded iso is 'good'? or, the created image?17:51
JohnnyLi think it's my jack configuration.17:51
holsteinanyways, you can test those, if you want.. but, that doesnt have anything to do with jack17:51
JohnnyLdd doesn't lie.17:51
JohnnyLdd also made this current ubuntu installation possible.17:51
holsteindd just copies whatever you tell it to17:51
JohnnyLhence, yur dilemna.17:51
JohnnyLhence, your dilemna.17:52
holsteini have no delema ;017:52
holsteinim just trying to volunteer getting your answers to yours.. since, the iso image does work via usb.. nothing is made to block that17:53
JohnnyLkxstudio doesn't work off install from a usb stick.17:54
JohnnyLand there is no solution to make it work.17:54
holsteinfor you17:54
JohnnyLmy bios is EUFI/CSM set to CSM.17:54
holsteinit works fine for me here.. have you tested the md5 sum of the downloaded image?17:54
falktxJohnnyL: see the irc topic for the latest isos17:55
JohnnyLholstein: no i'm not a dick about it.17:55
falktxJohnnyL: did you try those ones?17:55
JohnnyLfalktx: i used 14.0417:55
JohnnyLstraight from the kxsstudio site.17:55
holsteinfalktx is the creator of kxstudio.. so, if he will have the facts about kxstudio installation via uefi17:55
JohnnyLKXStudio 14.04 Live-DVD - 64bit17:55
JohnnyLThats the one i tried. two dds in a row.17:56
falktxJohnnyL: only the new testing ISOs work on UEFI17:56
falktxJohnnyL: and you need to be connected to the internet during install17:56
JohnnyLfalktx: right ok.17:56
JohnnyLwell, i already configured ubuntu. i only wasted a half hour or so on kxstudio.17:57
holsteinlol17:57
holsteinyou'll invest *something*.. especically, since the hardware manufacturers dont promise linux support17:57
holsteinit can take time to sort out the best way to provide your own support..17:57
JohnnyLhow can I test if my kstudio is installed right? ardour4 seems to be out of the question to me, and many others.17:58
falktxdoes it make noise?17:58
holsteini would expect it to take a while longer to download the latest iso, and install..17:59
JohnnyLfalktx: i'm a newb so have no idea what to run or configure.17:59
holsteinwhen you get jack working, and stable.. ardour4 will work fine..17:59
JohnnyLholstein: probably. even twice. but I rounded down. :)17:59
holsteinJohnnyL: im not following what that means17:59
JohnnyLtake about 15 minutes to download. so year more than 1/2 hour.18:00
JohnnyLs/year/yeah18:00
JohnnyLis usb1 different than usb2 or usb3 in the configuration files?18:00
holsteinwhat config file?18:01
JohnnyLor is that just a speed thing?18:01
JohnnyLhold let me get it.18:01
holsteinyou shouldnt need to mess with that for the install18:01
JohnnyLhttp://pastebin.com/dGKZ4Xw818:01
JohnnyLholstein: oh ok18:01
holsteinyou can, either use what is prebuilt that deals with your hardware limitation, or, try and disable the limitation in the bios18:02
falktxJohnnyL: have you seen the kxstudio mini manual?18:02
JohnnyLfalktx: nope.18:03
falktxhttp://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/kxstudio_manual18:03
holsteinJohnnyL: that config is for the audio devices..18:03
JohnnyLfalktx: looks good, i'll work with that until i break.18:03
JohnnyLRTIRQ_NAME_LIST="rtc usb1 snd i8042"18:07
JohnnyLin /etc/default/rtirq18:07
holsteinkeep in mind, you are using stock ubuntu18:07
holsteinand, you really shouldnt need to mess with that, regardless..18:08
JohnnyLholstein: that thought never leads me mind. but no choice in the matter, my dvd in this laptop is dead.18:08
holsteini boot, plug in my USB audio device, and i run, in the terminal "aplay -l" and/or "arecord -l", then, *if* i see the device there, i open qjackctl.. under "device" i look for references to that hardware.. i dont trust the labels18:09
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holsteinwhat do i suggest? *dont* plug the USB device in yet, but, rather, learn to configure jack with the internal audio device.. simply routing a few things while playback is happening18:09
JohnnyLholstein: what does your /etc/default/rtirq say for RTIRQ_NAME_LIST?18:10
holsteinyou are learning about linux, and linux audio, and jack, and fighting some installation issues, all at once..  no real need to take all those on at once18:10
holsteinJohnnyL: i literally didnt touch that.. but, im using an audio specific distro..18:11
JohnnyLholstein: the usb hardware shows up in in/out interfaces.18:11
JohnnyLholstein: well what is it? if you use usb this might help me.18:11
holsteinJohnnyL: cool.. consider removing it, since, you dont need it to learn jack18:11
JohnnyLi mean i could literally be off by 1 (the 1 in usb1)18:11
holsteinJohnnyL: i do.. i use *several* usb devices, and firewire, as well18:11
JohnnyLgreat!18:11
JohnnyLwhat is it?18:11
holsteinbut, on a new system, i get jack running on the internal audio device, first18:11
holsteinsee, where you are now, jack has not worked, as i read it18:11
holsteinso, is it an issue with jack? or with usb support? hardware support for usb in linux? etc18:12
holsteinsee that jack works with the internal audio device.. then, you can troubleshoot jack, seperately, there18:12
holsteinmaking sure your distro has the proper permissions, etc18:12
holsteinyou can stare at the screen, for hours, as you have, troubleshooting "usb device not working", when, it can actually be "user permissions for jack"..18:13
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JohnnyLhttp://pastebin.com/S09TcERQ18:16
JohnnyLlooks like i need usb3 in my rtirq.18:16
holsteinyup18:16
holsteini never messed with any of that.. not in 5 years18:17
falktxI'd stop worrying about interrupts, and more about getting jack started18:17
holsteinbut, to isolate, and test for that, i will simply unplug the USB device, and see that jack starts, with the internal audio device18:17
holsteinif jack doesnt work there, it wont work with the USB device. it will be a jack config issue.. or user config.. nothing related specifically to the USB device, potentially18:17
JohnnyLi get no erros in jack18:18
holsteinJohnnyL: then, whats the problem?18:18
holsteinif you get no errors, and jack is running, then, enjoy18:18
JohnnyLno signal to ardour18:18
holsteindoes audio playback? from something simple, like yoshimi? or audacious?18:18
holsteinwhat are your routing? and how?18:19
holsteinthe issue is, this is quite specific to your pariculare hardware18:19
JohnnyLhttp://pastebin.com/G8wgHUmF18:20
JohnnyLyes, youtube works great.18:20
holsteinyoutube?18:20
JohnnyLclementine works too18:20
holsteindont test youtube playback, since, thats flash, and pulse18:20
JohnnyLyes18:20
holsteintry routing yoshimi, or audacious in jack18:20
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JohnnyLok18:20
holsteinJohnnyL: please let me know when you have somehting routed, through jack, playing back18:20
JohnnyLaudacious is working fine.18:22
JohnnyLhow can i tell if it uses jack?18:22
JackWinterisn't all youtube html5 nowdays?  works without flash here anyways18:22
JohnnyLJackWinter: not all18:22
holsteinJohnnyL: look, in the configuration settings, and see that you are using the jack setup, not pulse, or alsa only18:22
JohnnyLpulseaudio jack source/sink.18:23
holsteinright18:23
holsteinso, thats not jack18:23
JohnnyLi don't see audicious there18:23
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holsteintry getting something working, playback, through jack, to be sure thats working properly18:24
holsteinyoshimi was also suggested above..18:24
JohnnyLit is terrible to say 'something' to a newb18:24
JohnnyLso was audacious. and look how that turned out!18:24
holsteinJohnnyL: it will be up to you to figure this out18:24
holsteinthe company that made all your hardware is welcome to work with jack and alsa.. and linux. its all open18:25
holsteinif they dont, it can be challenging.. but, the hardware case is specific to you18:25
holsteini cant look in my GUI for my hardware, and help you. since, its different..18:25
JohnnyLlike i said i had ardour3 working on this very hardware fine18:25
holsteini can only help you find answers18:25
holsteinJohnnyL: i dont see that you have evidence of the hardware working with jack18:25
JohnnyLif you couldn't tell linux sees my maudio plus.18:25
holsteinwhen jack is working, then, ardour3, ardour4.. all will just work18:26
holsteinim not saying anything doesnt 'see' it.. im only volunteering assistance to you to make sure jack is configured properly18:26
holsteinthere is not additional, or different jack config for ardour4 vs ardour318:28
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JohnnyLthere is bugs in jack.18:29
JohnnyLqjackctl jack that is.18:29
holsteincool18:29
JohnnyLit's not loading my default properly.18:29
holsteinbut, the fact is, it works here18:29
holstein*many* are using jack, and qjackctl, and ardour4.. so, lets work from the assumption that you *can* use it18:30
JohnnyLwhich prevents me from changing my settings.18:30
holsteinotherwise, there is no need to volunteer assistance, if, its not going to work18:30
holsteinJohnnyL: i stop jack, and change settings, and start jack again18:30
JohnnyLi am going to try commandline next.18:31
holsteinwhy?18:31
holsteinwho is suggesting what?18:31
JohnnyLholstein: your no listening are you?18:31
holsteinsomeone suggests startinng jack from the commandline?18:31
JohnnyLholstein: didn't i just mention that qjackctl has bugs?18:31
holsteinJohnnyL: sure, friend.. you *did* mention that. its just that, *i* can do what you are trying to do, here.. so do many others18:32
holsteinso, i dont think its "qjackctl has a bug" that is keeping you from using ardour4 with jack..18:32
JohnnyLwow, these were very lazy programmers.18:33
holsteinlazy?18:33
holsteinyou mean, the other folks who volunteered there time for the product?18:33
holsteinlol18:33
JohnnyLholstein: they weren't paid enough!18:33
holstein"they" will likely be glad to discuss that with you. if you'd like to put them on salary for you18:34
holsteinotherwise, many use the same "lazy" code, with jack, qjacktl, and ardour4.. all of which, are open, if you'd like to either, provide "better" code, or pay someone else to18:35
spectromasJohnnyL: identify the bug and report it. None of the software you are talking about has been abandoned so it will be fixed if you can report a valid bug18:36
JohnnyLit may be a better use of my resources.18:36
JohnnyLindeed it may be.18:36
JohnnyLi just wanna f*** play.18:37
spectromasJohnnyL: are you sure ardour has been configured to use jack in the settings?18:37
JohnnyLspectromas: yes it's using it no errors.18:37
JohnnyLi get the disconnect from jack dialog.18:37
JohnnyLare the signals weak18:39
holstein?18:39
JohnnyLi have them at around 75%.18:39
spectromasI don't understand what you're talking about. "yes it's using it no errors" ardour is using jack with no errors? I don't know what the dialog is that you mention, please post the full message18:39
holsteinjack, nor qjackclt have nothing to do with the levels, though18:39
holsteinyou are mixing hardware and software issues..18:39
holsteinand, "its working with a weak signal" requires different support than "jack is buggy and not working"18:39
JohnnyLspectromas: sorry i don't think the technology for cutting and pasting a gui has been invented yet. unless you mean printscreen.18:39
spectromasdo what you want JohnnyL18:40
spectromastroll away18:40
holsteinJohnnyL: whatever you want to do that helps a volunteer assist you18:40
holsteinan image, a pastebin18:40
JohnnyLok18:40
holstein*whatever* constructively conveys facts..18:40
JohnnyLtakes about 1 minute. then the response is 'ok. are you sure ardour is working?'18:41
JohnnyLi don't recall my imgur account.18:41
JohnnyLi'm smart enough to know to be lazy about this configuration item.18:41
spectromasgoodness me18:41
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JohnnyLl8r18:43
holsteino/18:43
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holsteinpushes my buttons...18:43
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maitakeDoes falktx come around much?20:14
falktxyou mean this guy20:15
falktx?20:15
maitakeHaha20:16
maitakeOh my20:16
maitakeYes :)20:16
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maitakeI was having trouble getting carla to load Windows vsts using carla rack in bitwig. I'm on ubuntu studio, and installed carla and it's bridges from the repo20:17
maitakeAny ideas? Or have the bridges just been a little wacky yet in their development?20:18
maitakeActually hold on. Would be better to paste the error it gives20:19
maitake"Timeout while waiting for a response from plugin-bridge20:19
maitake(or the plugin crashed on initialization?)"20:19
maitakeThe plugin (synth1) works okay in carla itself, just not the carlarack plugin20:20
maitakeI could be mistaken and it's a bitwig problem I guess20:21
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maitakeAm considering installing your distro/livecd and trying bitwig on it20:26
holsteini suppose it would be ideal if you had native linux software to work with.. but, this is the "best" community for trying to make things work via wine, etc20:29
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maitakeBitwig isn't native?20:30
maitakeOr you mean the vsts?20:30
maitakeHaha20:30
falktxwell, yeah, the bridges are a work in progress20:32
falktxit's been a while since I tried running them via wine.20:33
maitakeOh okay20:33
falktxas time goes by I use wine less and less20:33
falktxlet me see if it works in renoise20:33
maitakeI suspected that might be the case20:33
holsteini would bet it near impossible to keep up with the changes..20:33
maitakeOnly a handful of people brave enough to attempt bridging win3220:34
maitakeThanks falk20:34
holsteinare we calling that "brave" now? ;)20:34
falktxI need to get a few things sorted up first before it becomes a reliable experience20:34
falktxthis audio out-of-process thing is very tricky20:34
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maitakeLol holstein20:35
JohnnyLwow. i just don't know where to begin. this shouldn't be rocket science.20:35
maitakeHuh?20:35
holsteini would start at the beginning, JohnnyL .. isolate the parts that you are testing20:36
JohnnyLwell linux sees the device.20:36
JohnnyLcatia connections look okay.20:36
holsteinlooks?20:36
JohnnyLjust 0 signal.20:36
holsteintest them, and see20:36
JohnnyLhow?20:36
holsteinJohnnyL: by routing a source, through.. and using your ears, friend20:36
falktxmaitake: it's working for me here in renoise20:36
holsteinyou cant trust the labels provided by alsa.. you can use alsamixer and tweak *all* settings..20:37
maitakeOh hmm20:37
falktxmaitake: but users have been reporting having issues running them20:37
JohnnyLholstein: pressing the piano keys is something i have tried many many times.20:37
maitakeOkay. I'll tinker some more20:37
JohnnyLtheorectically i should be very very close.20:37
maitakeMaybe it's audio issues on ubuntu studio I have installed20:37
JohnnyLim using PulseAudio Jack Source/Sink.20:38
holsteinJohnnyL: you dont need to get 'close' at all.. just test, and see what is working, and troubleshoot.. isolating things, rather than compouding them20:38
JohnnyLi tested everything already.20:38
JohnnyLi enabled all l to l , r to r. and still no signal.20:38
holsteinwhat would i do? again.. unplug the USB device. get jack runing on the internal audio device. make *anything* play using jack, not pulse, and test that it plays back, through jack.. then, plug my USB device in, get jack runing again, on it.. do the same. and test20:39
JohnnyLardour can only start read only sessions. is that ok?20:40
holsteinardour is not relevant20:40
holstein*jack*.. test jack. its the key20:40
holsteinardour, and *all* other sofware will just work, when jack is setup properly20:40
JohnnyLholstein: ok20:40
maitakeI tinkered with cadence and it solved my jack issues20:40
JohnnyLinput/output channes are both 0.20:42
JohnnyLcadence is up.20:42
JohnnyLsettings look good.20:42
holsteinsure.. and looks dont matter20:42
holsteinuse your ears, to route a source, utilizing jack, and actually *hear* some audio play20:43
holsteindont trust labels, or the way things look20:43
JohnnyLpulseaudio --daemonize --high-priority --realtime --exit-idle-time=-1 --file=/usr/share/cadence/pulse2jack/play+rec.pa -n20:44
JohnnyLshould i kill pulseudio?20:44
holsteini disable the pulse to jack bridge.. but, they are made to work together. you just shouldnt get off track20:44
holsteinnow, you are making an issue with pulse, when you stil havent simply routed an audio source, and tested jack20:45
holsteindont get distracted. just route a jack source, and see that you hear it..20:45
JohnnyLhow do i route a jack source?20:45
holsteini use qjackctl "connect".. but, there are other tools20:46
JohnnyLthat turns on qjackctl, not routes.20:46
holsteinok20:46
holsteinthen, use whatever *is* working20:47
holsteinqjackctl works like a charm here.. no issues20:47
holsteinits only an issue when jack is not running on the hardware properly, which, i feel is your issue20:47
JohnnyLah20:50
JohnnyLi think the problem might be routing20:51
JohnnyLhow can I send you an image holstein ?20:51
holsteinif you havent routed anything, then, yes.. thats the issue20:51
holsteinyou'll have to make the connections, somewhere..20:51
holstein*after* getting jack running..20:51
holsteinJohnnyL: i have no paramaters on how you share an image with the community here..20:51
JohnnyLin jack ardour is connected to system, but not PulseAudio Jack sink.20:52
holsteinpulse is not needed for what you are trying to do, or what i am asking you to try20:52
holsteini want you to see about routing something via jack.. not the pulse audio bridge20:52
holsteinand, to record something into ardour fromm your audio device, you wont be using pulse either20:53
JohnnyLholstein: I think this is it!20:54
JohnnyLholstein: http://imgur.com/plBPdrX20:54
LAbotTitle: Imgur (at imgur.com)20:54
holsteinsee what a mess you have there?20:55
holsteinyou have no need to test so many things at once20:55
JohnnyLholstein: i only enabled everything to see it work. but i didn't do it with jack, not inside ardour4.20:55
holsteini say, close ardour.. see that literally anything plays back..20:55
holsteinJohnnyL: sure.. i said, you can use other things to route20:55
holsteinardour can do it, as well as other outside applications20:56
JohnnyLalright, i restarted ardour4 with default mappings in new session. what are the essential routes needed?20:58
holstein?20:58
holsteinyou need what you need20:58
JohnnyLmaster audio in to pulseauio jack sink front-left?20:58
holsteinoutputs to your monitor device. inputs based on whatever you are doing and want20:58
holsteinthere is no "default".. just what you need..20:58
holsteinpulse audio is just for that.. routing pulse soures into jack20:59
holsteinyou dont need to route ardour through that, for any reason20:59
holsteinunless, you, for example, wanted to record a skype call straight into ardour..20:59
holsteinsomething that doesnt have jack support..20:59
JohnnyLi am asking what i need.21:00
holsteinright21:00
holsteinand im saying, only you know that21:00
holsteinbut, nothing you have said you need requires pulse..21:00
JohnnyLwow, i'm routing youtube into ardour4!21:00
holsteinright. through the pulse bridge21:01
JohnnyLwell thats a start!21:01
JohnnyL;)21:01
holsteinbut, nothing is preventing youtube, or your browser from officially supporting and having jack support21:01
holstein*anything* from the system, will come in on that.. any pulse source.. non jack sources21:01
holsteinwhy is that relevant? becuase you cant seperate them out.. for example, that skype call i refernced *and* your youtube vid.. on the same stereo input21:02
holsteinnot that you need to, for any reason that im aware of21:02
JohnnyLi need a course in rooting dude.21:03
holsteinwhat do i do? i just simpley open things, and start routing21:03
holsteinthere are many references around.. you just have to know how to share details about what your goals are21:04
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JohnnyLYES!21:06
JohnnyLGetting signal!21:07
JohnnyLThan you holstein!21:07
JohnnyLThank you holstein!21:07
JohnnyLi disconnected everything and started from scratch.21:07
JohnnyLit's a weak signal but it's showing up.21:09
JohnnyLand i can't record21:09
holsteinand, i assume, you have opened alsamixer in the terminal, and tried tweaking settings there.. since i suggested it a few times above21:09
holsteinto address the "weak signal" issue. which, is not an issue at all, but, a simple setting.. where, you actually *dont* have a problem, but, you just need to turn the volume/gain up21:09
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JohnnyLyes, alsamixer keeps resetting though.21:18
JohnnyLit's at 100 though.21:19
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JohnnyLeven with the alsa mixer and ardour mixer at max it's super weak.21:21
holsteinJohnnyL: there are many setings in alsamixer. you likely dont have it set to show everthing..21:21
holsteinJohnnyL: also, what is "superweak"?21:21
JohnnyLi can barely hear the output.21:22
holsteinJohnnyL: of what!21:22
JohnnyLbut at least i can hear it!21:22
JohnnyLkorg keyboard21:22
holsteinJohnnyL: what are you routin, friend?21:22
JohnnyLthrugh an maudio interface.21:22
holsteinJohnnyL: ok. the keyboard should have a level.. a send level.. and you need to make sure you are going into and out of the apprporiate connections21:23
JohnnyLah ok21:23
JohnnyLkmix to the rescue.21:23
JohnnyLit outperformed alsamixer by feature.21:24
JohnnyLi can hear it fine now.21:24
holsteinlol21:24
holsteinit allowed you to set the settings that i was trying to tell you how to do with alsamixer21:24
holsteinthe settings are the same21:24
holsteinanyways.. if you want to think its better, whatever21:24
JohnnyLa bit of latency.21:24
JohnnyLreminds me of a bad midi.21:24
holsteini would expect it with a USB device that is not intended to support the operatinng system you are using21:24
holsteinanyways, you dont need to monitor the keyboard through the software21:25
holsteinyou can monitor local, and live, in realtime.. and let the machine record it when it wants to..21:25
JohnnyLokay the only thing i needing is recording compability. it doesn't appear to be able to record.21:26
holsteinardour will record, whatever you route to a channel you create to it, when, you stop looking at how things 'appear', and assume that folks *do* record things with ardour ;)21:26
holsteini have a usb maudio device.. i route whatever i want to ardour, and record it, and you can learn to do so, as well21:27
JohnnyLquality isn't that good. not like from the actual keyboard.21:27
JohnnyLyeah, maybe i'm missing a routing?21:27
holsteinand, how are you acertaining this quality level?21:27
holsteinanyways, again, no need to throw another thing in the mix21:27
holsteinnow, you cant record, you  have latency, and you have bad quality..21:28
holsteinand, that was just in a few minutes after you were sure the code was bad ;)21:28
JohnnyLmy log reads: [ERROR]: Error: could not write /home/john/.config/ardour4/instant.xml21:28
holsteinanyways, good luck.. i must run.. try #opensourcemusicians if its quiet here..21:28
JohnnyLthe quality isn't great. but i least i can hear it21:28
holsteinJohnnyL: so.. messages are not errors..21:28
JohnnyLok21:28
holsteinthe quality is as i set it to be, here21:29
holsteino/21:29
JohnnyLthank you holstein . much appreciated!21:29
holsteinits been a great pressure.. i mean, pleasure..21:29
holstein;)21:29
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JohnnyLholstein: :)21:38
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JohnnyLdistrozapper: hey21:52
distrozapperJohnnyL, Hi! How did your USB iso installation run?22:05
JohnnyLdistrozapper: just got it fully working 1/2 hour ago.22:05
JohnnyLso it took a full day with 11 hours sleep22:06
JohnnyLi'm pysched. it sounds pretty good too.22:06
distrozapperJohnnyL, kxstudio or ubuntu?22:06
JohnnyLi just had to manually route via inside jack (inside of the poor ardour interface i was using).22:06
JohnnyLubuntu.22:06
distrozapperok22:06
JohnnyLkxstudio is not usb ready.22:06
JohnnyLs/inside/instead22:07
distrozapperJohnnyL, pity it didnt work for you. But at least you got a working base.22:08
JohnnyLi did quite a few things to make it kxstudio friendly.22:09
JohnnyLbut yes. aparently the beta version has usb support.22:09
JohnnyLi am going to take a nice break.22:10
JohnnyLi deserve it.22:10
distrozapperJohnnyL, you are using an M-Audio FT Pro?22:10
JohnnyLubuntu wasn't accepting the physical dimensions of the drive. so i did a mkfs.ext -b 4096 and then it worked.22:11
JohnnyLno maudio plus interface with a korg krome.22:11
distrozapperwut da heck22:11
JohnnyLphysical is 4096 byte blocks instead of 512.22:11
JohnnyLi think 512 maxes at 2 terabytes?22:11
JohnnyLthat ubuntu format thing took about 3 hours.22:12
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distrozapperHm so you got a pure 4K drive without 512byte sector emulation.22:12
JohnnyLi don't see why a block size would put a limit. but thats what I read.22:12
JohnnyLbut who the hell knows what some people on the internet say.22:12
distrozapperweird22:13
JohnnyLdistrozapper: i'm not sure.22:13
JohnnyLubuntu seemed to format over what i did.22:13
JohnnyLit may still be 512.22:13
JohnnyLit could have been a guardian install without actual operations needed to be 4096.22:14
JohnnyLi did look at the drive again and it did say 512.22:14
JohnnyLi had issues copying my backup data. it did a complete blocking at 41megs a second. mouse wasn't even active.22:15
JohnnyLbut it worked.22:15
JohnnyLhaven't had any other locking issues since then.22:15
JohnnyLbut man, what a fucking trial. haha.22:15
distrozapperJohnnyL, yep, not a fine begin. Are you content with the drive's R/W throughput?22:16
JohnnyLyes, i gave jack the -S parameter. and fiddled with rtirq, and am using a low latency kernel.22:21
JohnnyLit's just about as fast as the keyboard itself. and the sounds is quite acceptable.22:21
JohnnyLwow.22:22
JohnnyLso happy now! :)22:22
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JohnnyLthe piaz de resistance is the reboot-run. bbl22:31
JohnnyLgood to see you again distrozapper , catcha l8r.22:32
distrozapperOK bye22:32
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