mc888 | (ardour-4.1.0:2123): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve", | 00:00 |
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mc888 | checked my theme and my colors in system settings, both are set to kxstudio | 00:01 |
mc888 | not sure where to go from here | 00:03 |
distrozapper | mc888, sorry I don't use ardour that much, let me try.. | 00:03 |
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mc888 | thanks | 00:03 |
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distrozapper | mc888, what distro are you running? | 00:08 |
mc888 | kxstudio | 00:09 |
mc888 | hang on | 00:09 |
mc888 | 14.04.2 LTS kernel 3.13.0-55lowlatency 64 bit | 00:09 |
distrozapper | mc888, good. | 00:16 |
distrozapper | mc888, I cannot replicate this error. Does it occur on purely starting ardour4? | 00:17 |
mc888 | well I havent tried ardour 3 since 4 came out | 00:19 |
mc888 | but it also happens on the subscriber build | 00:19 |
mc888 | (ardour-4.1.262:2233): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve", | 00:20 |
mc888 | and I just found the default ui is looking for the clearlooks engine | 00:20 |
mc888 | ok its in ardour3 as well | 00:22 |
mc888 | (ardour-3.5.403:2425): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "qtcurve", | 00:22 |
distrozapper | mc888, do you use ardour packaged version or self-built version? | 00:23 |
mc888 | Ive just been launching from a SH and didnt even know | 00:23 |
mc888 | packaged | 00:23 |
mc888 | I figured if its a theme / engine issue, it would be a kxstudio thing rather than an ardour thing | 00:23 |
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JohnnyL | not possible to boot kxstudio from a usb stick. | 00:24 |
JohnnyL | trying ubuntu but having trouble booting from a 4096 byte sector externel hard drive. | 00:25 |
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distrozapper | mc888, um well sorry, no more idea for that atm. Would you like to file an issue/bug report please? | 00:27 |
mc888 | think I should? ok, where | 00:28 |
JohnnyL | i literally cannot install to this new hard drive. | 00:30 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, welcome back :) It must be possible to boot kxstudio from USB, it ran fine for me (you won't read me here if it didn't :)) | 00:30 |
mc888 | hi johnny, I had no problem - I think I used pendrive | 00:31 |
mc888 | format to fat32 and use 'unlised' iso | 00:31 |
mc888 | unlisted, sorry | 00:31 |
JohnnyL | dd shoul've worked. | 00:33 |
JohnnyL | anyway, ubuntu works fine from both usb sticks i tried to use with kxstudio. so not much. | 00:34 |
mc888 | but it didnt ;) | 00:34 |
JohnnyL | now i'm getting this error with ubuntu. | 00:35 |
JohnnyL | it wants a 512 block size but my physical block size is 4096. | 00:35 |
JohnnyL | Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes | 00:37 |
JohnnyL | Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes | 00:37 |
JohnnyL | I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 33553920 bytes | 00:37 |
JohnnyL | Alignment offset: 512 bytes | 00:37 |
JohnnyL | mc888: dd writes from block 0. | 00:41 |
JohnnyL | it is as it is. | 00:41 |
JohnnyL | bbl | 00:44 |
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distrozapper | mc888, still investing, please hold the line | 00:48 |
mc888 | ok sure | 00:49 |
distrozapper | mc888, you are sure you did an apt-get update -> apt-get dist-upgrade? | 00:53 |
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mc888 | distrozapper, got an unrelated question when you get a chance | 00:56 |
distrozapper | mc888, OK | 00:56 |
mc888 | in software sources, I have ppas for kxstudio from both trusty and lucid | 00:57 |
mc888 | is it a good idea to purge the lucid packages from 14.04.2? | 00:57 |
distrozapper | mc888, no don't purge lucid atm. | 00:58 |
mc888 | ok thanks | 00:59 |
distrozapper | mc888, lucid serves as a stable base for kxstudio (for backward compatibility concerns as far as I understand) | 01:02 |
mc888 | right, so older apps or plugins may call the libs or something | 01:02 |
distrozapper | mc888, yes, that is the thing | 01:03 |
mc888 | no problem, glad I didnt do it :p | 01:03 |
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distrozapper | mc888, sorry there seems to be no explicit place to report qt issues with ardour4 on kxstudio. Best practice would be to hang on here until falktx is present. | 01:13 |
mc888 | heh | 01:14 |
mc888 | Im not around during the day on weekdays, I work and in another time zone | 01:14 |
mc888 | maybe we could just cut and paste our conversation and email it to him | 01:15 |
mc888 | let him check into it as time allows | 01:15 |
distrozapper | mc888, good idea | 01:15 |
mc888 | hey, thanks a lot for your help | 01:15 |
mc888 | Im sursprised this goes back as far as A3 | 01:16 |
mc888 | but it could help sort out some crashes that are gtk related | 01:16 |
mc888 | the clearlooks engine appears to be a new thing in ardour4 | 01:17 |
mc888 | I didnt find the same rc files in the ardour3 etc | 01:18 |
mc888 | sorry no, its in there | 01:20 |
mc888 | ardour3_ui_dark.rc | 01:20 |
distrozapper | mc888, I was not of much help in this, sorry, but thanks for this fine conversation ! | 01:20 |
mc888 | no, you helped a lot, thanks | 01:20 |
mc888 | see you l8r | 01:22 |
distrozapper | mc888, have a nice night/day ;) | 01:22 |
mc888 | exactly :) | 01:22 |
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maitake | Anyone have any ideas why carla seems to refuse to find my Windows vsts? | 01:49 |
maitake | I have installed carla and the bridges through the repo | 01:49 |
spectromas | maitake: you have wine installed? | 02:39 |
maitake | Yes I do | 02:39 |
maitake | It installed with the carla packages | 02:39 |
spectromas | maybe have a look through the PATH settings? | 02:40 |
maitake | I finally got carla to load them in the standalone client.. They spit out an error in the carla rack inside bitwig | 02:40 |
maitake | Says this when I try to add a vst to the rack: Timeout while waiting for a response from plugin-bridge | 02:42 |
maitake | (or the plugin crashed on initialization? | 02:42 |
spectromas | is that wish any plugin? | 02:44 |
maitake | I'm just testing synth1 | 02:44 |
maitake | It loads fine in normal carla it seems | 02:44 |
maitake | Gui appears and functions | 02:45 |
spectromas | carla git or stable? | 02:45 |
maitake | Oh | 02:46 |
maitake | Stable I think | 02:46 |
spectromas | maybe try the git, it's just a guess though, not sure what might be happening | 02:46 |
maitake | I added the repo and installed every package from there | 02:46 |
maitake | It's okay | 02:46 |
maitake | Going TO give it a rest tonight anyway. Hands hurt | 02:47 |
maitake | Thanks for your help | 02:47 |
spectromas | I think there's a beta package in there | 02:47 |
spectromas | no worries, hope you fix it somehow sometime :) | 02:47 |
maitake | Cool | 02:47 |
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JohnnyL | Ok. going to attempt to install kxstudio onto my new ubuntu | 04:49 |
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JohnnyL | 'm getting feedback. what do i do? | 06:07 |
JohnnyL | i think it's ardour track/system caps. | 06:08 |
JohnnyL | can't seem to find the input for my interface/keyboard. | 06:11 |
JohnnyL | ah need to select my device. | 06:14 |
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JohnnyL | qjackctl locks. | 06:18 |
JohnnyL | greys out. | 06:18 |
JohnnyL | ah sudo qjackctl | 06:20 |
JohnnyL | trying to select jack instead of alsa at ardour4.1 dialog. locks. | 06:21 |
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JohnnyL | anyone? | 06:43 |
JohnnyL | it's not hearing my interface/keyboard. | 06:48 |
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thorfinn | Hello | 07:31 |
thorfinn | Does anyone know how to get digits plugin installed http://www.extentofthejam.com/ | 07:32 |
LAbot | Title: Extent of the Jam (at www.extentofthejam.com) | 07:32 |
thorfinn | I tried to install it but It just stopped | 07:33 |
thorfinn | saying http://www.extentofthejam.com/ | 07:33 |
LAbot | Title: Extent of the Jam (at www.extentofthejam.com) | 07:33 |
thorfinn | sorry I was going to say: ./install-digits.sh: 22: read: arg count | 07:33 |
thorfinn | And the installation stops | 07:33 |
thorfinn | never mind I got it work | 07:36 |
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JohnnyL | anyone here a usb master? | 08:42 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, no USb master, but I got a M-Audio FastTrack Pro, if that is why you ask. | 08:53 |
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alexpolevoy | Hello there. I'm having several problem with Carla. I'm building a Carla setup for home rehearsals with my guitar player. The problems are that I can't use plugins I want to: EQ10Q just hangs Carla (it segfaults), Calf Equalizer 12 band shows no FFT analysis window at all Here's a screenshot of Calf EQ in Carla: http://postimg.org/image/owr4we8y1/full/ | 12:21 |
LAbot | Title: View image: png (at postimg.org) | 12:21 |
alexpolevoy | Both of plugins work excellent in Ardour | 12:22 |
alexpolevoy | Well, I can use any other EQ in my case, but it's not a solution since plugins which are supposed to work in Carla do not | 12:24 |
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rghvdberg | strange bug in Hydrogen | 12:26 |
falktx | alexpolevoy: 1. eq10q plugin is broken, doesn't work too well on non-gtk hosts | 12:26 |
falktx | alexpolevoy: 2. calf plugins is a known "issue" (not a bug, it's a feature) | 12:27 |
falktx | alexpolevoy: you need to disable "use ui bridges" in the engine options to see calf graphs | 12:27 |
rghvdberg | when using midi output on an instrument and notes are closer together (1/8th) two midi off notes - velocity 0 are sent , stopping the second note short. | 12:28 |
rghvdberg | am I making sense ? | 12:28 |
falktx | I guess | 12:28 |
rghvdberg | mm ... when I load a plugin in carla and set midi control to channel #2 notes played on channel 1 are still played ? | 12:32 |
falktx | of course | 12:42 |
rghvdberg | it's only for control messages, not notes off ? | 12:44 |
rghvdberg | note on/off messages I mean .. | 12:44 |
falktx | midi control channel is to control carla's stuff | 12:45 |
falktx | the midi keyboard below sends through that channel | 12:45 |
falktx | note that it gets disabled when you set it as "N" | 12:45 |
falktx | and for controlling dry/wet/vol/balance | 12:46 |
rghvdberg | aha .. | 12:46 |
rghvdberg | looking for a plugin to split the midi stream | 12:47 |
rghvdberg | Channel Filter does work .. does need a lot of toggles switching off .. | 12:47 |
rghvdberg | thinking of entering OSC 77 on kvr, using carla as the pluginhost for Charlatan | 12:48 |
rghvdberg | https://sites.google.com/site/kvrosc/osc-77-charlatan-2 | 12:49 |
falktx | that looks like a simple synthedit made plugin | 12:52 |
rghvdberg | I guess so | 12:53 |
rghvdberg | the synth doesn't really matter to me. It's a good excersice. And most of all .. it's fun | 12:54 |
rghvdberg | well ... it's in 64 bit, so I guess no synthedit | 12:54 |
alexpolevoy | rghvdberg: there's an LV2 version of MIDI Split plugin. It has one input and 16 outputs | 12:55 |
rghvdberg | oh ... | 12:55 |
alexpolevoy | rghvdberg: also, it exists as Carla's internal plugin also | 12:56 |
rghvdberg | yes ! | 12:56 |
rghvdberg | that is EXACTLY what I need | 12:56 |
rghvdberg | sequencing drums in hydrogen is so much easier | 12:57 |
rghvdberg | but the note off thing bothers me | 12:57 |
rghvdberg | is it a known bug ? | 12:57 |
alexpolevoy | rghvdberg: why not Ardour then? Version 4.0 kicks ass | 12:57 |
rghvdberg | working in 4.1 | 12:57 |
rghvdberg | it kickes to mostes of asses of all .. :-) | 12:58 |
alexpolevoy | rghvdberg: didn't update yet, need to install | 12:58 |
rghvdberg | never got anyting done in 3 .. 4 ... everything works | 12:58 |
rghvdberg | did have some crashes but nothing serious. I suspect some win vst plugins. I'm not gonna nag about that. | 12:59 |
rghvdberg | ok, gonna fill the kiddy pool ! | 13:00 |
rghvdberg | cya l8r | 13:00 |
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mc888 | hi all | 15:49 |
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alexpolevoy | mc888: hi | 16:02 |
mc888 | hi alex | 16:05 |
mc888 | are you familiar with carla bridge? | 16:06 |
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alexpolevoy | mc888: a little | 16:46 |
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JohnnyL | anyone know how to get ardour to work under kxstudio/ubuntun? I'm not sure if my qjackctl is configured right. I'm just not getting a signal. | 17:19 |
JohnnyL | hello? | 17:33 |
JohnnyL | i got disconnected. | 17:33 |
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holstein | JohnnyL: qjackctl is just the GUI to configure jack.. | 17:46 |
holstein | anyways, i see you have cross posted, so, i'll just wait to see how it goes for you in #ardour.. cheers | 17:47 |
JohnnyL | holstein: yes, and my default ps defaults to '/usr/bin/jackdbus auto' | 17:48 |
JohnnyL | no parameters , unless they are read by a file?! | 17:48 |
JohnnyL | holstein: ok thanks. | 17:48 |
JohnnyL | holstein: i spent 3 hours trying to get this to work last night when no one was around. | 17:48 |
holstein | lol | 17:48 |
JohnnyL | i installed kxtudio default settings. | 17:49 |
holstein | i spent around 2 years, migrating my studio to linux | 17:49 |
JohnnyL | i tried to use kxstduio but it *REFUSED* to boot off my usb stick. | 17:49 |
holstein | not many promise linux support for hardware, so, supporting it your self can be a challenge | 17:49 |
JohnnyL | kxstudio | 17:49 |
holstein | i say, tyr and isolate that, as much as possible. dont add issues | 17:49 |
JohnnyL | holstein: i've had this configuration working before. | 17:49 |
JohnnyL | same hardware. | 17:49 |
holstein | you go from "jack doesnt work" to "my stick wont boot".. | 17:49 |
JohnnyL | i think it's jack. | 17:50 |
holstein | if the stick or iso is bad, it wont boot.. but, thats all *before* anything to do with jack | 17:50 |
JohnnyL | yes. kxstudio installation doesn't work from usb. | 17:50 |
holstein | works for me | 17:50 |
JohnnyL | i already installed ubuntu. | 17:50 |
JohnnyL | holstein: dvd or usb stick? | 17:50 |
holstein | ubuntu should work fine, as well, but stock ubuntu is not made to work "out of the box" with jack | 17:50 |
holstein | so, you'll have more steps | 17:50 |
JohnnyL | i have installed debian from the same stick. | 17:50 |
holstein | cool | 17:51 |
holstein | so, that means, you are assuming the stick is still good, and are you also assuming the downloaded iso is 'good'? or, the created image? | 17:51 |
JohnnyL | i think it's my jack configuration. | 17:51 |
holstein | anyways, you can test those, if you want.. but, that doesnt have anything to do with jack | 17:51 |
JohnnyL | dd doesn't lie. | 17:51 |
JohnnyL | dd also made this current ubuntu installation possible. | 17:51 |
holstein | dd just copies whatever you tell it to | 17:51 |
JohnnyL | hence, yur dilemna. | 17:51 |
JohnnyL | hence, your dilemna. | 17:52 |
holstein | i have no delema ;0 | 17:52 |
holstein | im just trying to volunteer getting your answers to yours.. since, the iso image does work via usb.. nothing is made to block that | 17:53 |
JohnnyL | kxstudio doesn't work off install from a usb stick. | 17:54 |
JohnnyL | and there is no solution to make it work. | 17:54 |
holstein | for you | 17:54 |
JohnnyL | my bios is EUFI/CSM set to CSM. | 17:54 |
holstein | it works fine for me here.. have you tested the md5 sum of the downloaded image? | 17:54 |
falktx | JohnnyL: see the irc topic for the latest isos | 17:55 |
JohnnyL | holstein: no i'm not a dick about it. | 17:55 |
falktx | JohnnyL: did you try those ones? | 17:55 |
JohnnyL | falktx: i used 14.04 | 17:55 |
JohnnyL | straight from the kxsstudio site. | 17:55 |
holstein | falktx is the creator of kxstudio.. so, if he will have the facts about kxstudio installation via uefi | 17:55 |
JohnnyL | KXStudio 14.04 Live-DVD - 64bit | 17:55 |
JohnnyL | Thats the one i tried. two dds in a row. | 17:56 |
falktx | JohnnyL: only the new testing ISOs work on UEFI | 17:56 |
falktx | JohnnyL: and you need to be connected to the internet during install | 17:56 |
JohnnyL | falktx: right ok. | 17:56 |
JohnnyL | well, i already configured ubuntu. i only wasted a half hour or so on kxstudio. | 17:57 |
holstein | lol | 17:57 |
holstein | you'll invest *something*.. especically, since the hardware manufacturers dont promise linux support | 17:57 |
holstein | it can take time to sort out the best way to provide your own support.. | 17:57 |
JohnnyL | how can I test if my kstudio is installed right? ardour4 seems to be out of the question to me, and many others. | 17:58 |
falktx | does it make noise? | 17:58 |
holstein | i would expect it to take a while longer to download the latest iso, and install.. | 17:59 |
JohnnyL | falktx: i'm a newb so have no idea what to run or configure. | 17:59 |
holstein | when you get jack working, and stable.. ardour4 will work fine.. | 17:59 |
JohnnyL | holstein: probably. even twice. but I rounded down. :) | 17:59 |
holstein | JohnnyL: im not following what that means | 17:59 |
JohnnyL | take about 15 minutes to download. so year more than 1/2 hour. | 18:00 |
JohnnyL | s/year/yeah | 18:00 |
JohnnyL | is usb1 different than usb2 or usb3 in the configuration files? | 18:00 |
holstein | what config file? | 18:01 |
JohnnyL | or is that just a speed thing? | 18:01 |
JohnnyL | hold let me get it. | 18:01 |
holstein | you shouldnt need to mess with that for the install | 18:01 |
JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/dGKZ4Xw8 | 18:01 |
JohnnyL | holstein: oh ok | 18:01 |
holstein | you can, either use what is prebuilt that deals with your hardware limitation, or, try and disable the limitation in the bios | 18:02 |
falktx | JohnnyL: have you seen the kxstudio mini manual? | 18:02 |
JohnnyL | falktx: nope. | 18:03 |
falktx | http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/kxstudio_manual | 18:03 |
holstein | JohnnyL: that config is for the audio devices.. | 18:03 |
JohnnyL | falktx: looks good, i'll work with that until i break. | 18:03 |
JohnnyL | RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="rtc usb1 snd i8042" | 18:07 |
JohnnyL | in /etc/default/rtirq | 18:07 |
holstein | keep in mind, you are using stock ubuntu | 18:07 |
holstein | and, you really shouldnt need to mess with that, regardless.. | 18:08 |
JohnnyL | holstein: that thought never leads me mind. but no choice in the matter, my dvd in this laptop is dead. | 18:08 |
holstein | i boot, plug in my USB audio device, and i run, in the terminal "aplay -l" and/or "arecord -l", then, *if* i see the device there, i open qjackctl.. under "device" i look for references to that hardware.. i dont trust the labels | 18:09 |
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holstein | what do i suggest? *dont* plug the USB device in yet, but, rather, learn to configure jack with the internal audio device.. simply routing a few things while playback is happening | 18:09 |
JohnnyL | holstein: what does your /etc/default/rtirq say for RTIRQ_NAME_LIST? | 18:10 |
holstein | you are learning about linux, and linux audio, and jack, and fighting some installation issues, all at once.. no real need to take all those on at once | 18:10 |
holstein | JohnnyL: i literally didnt touch that.. but, im using an audio specific distro.. | 18:11 |
JohnnyL | holstein: the usb hardware shows up in in/out interfaces. | 18:11 |
JohnnyL | holstein: well what is it? if you use usb this might help me. | 18:11 |
holstein | JohnnyL: cool.. consider removing it, since, you dont need it to learn jack | 18:11 |
JohnnyL | i mean i could literally be off by 1 (the 1 in usb1) | 18:11 |
holstein | JohnnyL: i do.. i use *several* usb devices, and firewire, as well | 18:11 |
JohnnyL | great! | 18:11 |
JohnnyL | what is it? | 18:11 |
holstein | but, on a new system, i get jack running on the internal audio device, first | 18:11 |
holstein | see, where you are now, jack has not worked, as i read it | 18:11 |
holstein | so, is it an issue with jack? or with usb support? hardware support for usb in linux? etc | 18:12 |
holstein | see that jack works with the internal audio device.. then, you can troubleshoot jack, seperately, there | 18:12 |
holstein | making sure your distro has the proper permissions, etc | 18:12 |
holstein | you can stare at the screen, for hours, as you have, troubleshooting "usb device not working", when, it can actually be "user permissions for jack".. | 18:13 |
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JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/S09TcERQ | 18:16 |
JohnnyL | looks like i need usb3 in my rtirq. | 18:16 |
holstein | yup | 18:16 |
holstein | i never messed with any of that.. not in 5 years | 18:17 |
falktx | I'd stop worrying about interrupts, and more about getting jack started | 18:17 |
holstein | but, to isolate, and test for that, i will simply unplug the USB device, and see that jack starts, with the internal audio device | 18:17 |
holstein | if jack doesnt work there, it wont work with the USB device. it will be a jack config issue.. or user config.. nothing related specifically to the USB device, potentially | 18:17 |
JohnnyL | i get no erros in jack | 18:18 |
holstein | JohnnyL: then, whats the problem? | 18:18 |
holstein | if you get no errors, and jack is running, then, enjoy | 18:18 |
JohnnyL | no signal to ardour | 18:18 |
holstein | does audio playback? from something simple, like yoshimi? or audacious? | 18:18 |
holstein | what are your routing? and how? | 18:19 |
holstein | the issue is, this is quite specific to your pariculare hardware | 18:19 |
JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/G8wgHUmF | 18:20 |
JohnnyL | yes, youtube works great. | 18:20 |
holstein | youtube? | 18:20 |
JohnnyL | clementine works too | 18:20 |
holstein | dont test youtube playback, since, thats flash, and pulse | 18:20 |
JohnnyL | yes | 18:20 |
holstein | try routing yoshimi, or audacious in jack | 18:20 |
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JohnnyL | ok | 18:20 |
holstein | JohnnyL: please let me know when you have somehting routed, through jack, playing back | 18:20 |
JohnnyL | audacious is working fine. | 18:22 |
JohnnyL | how can i tell if it uses jack? | 18:22 |
JackWinter | isn't all youtube html5 nowdays? works without flash here anyways | 18:22 |
JohnnyL | JackWinter: not all | 18:22 |
holstein | JohnnyL: look, in the configuration settings, and see that you are using the jack setup, not pulse, or alsa only | 18:22 |
JohnnyL | pulseaudio jack source/sink. | 18:23 |
holstein | right | 18:23 |
holstein | so, thats not jack | 18:23 |
JohnnyL | i don't see audicious there | 18:23 |
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holstein | try getting something working, playback, through jack, to be sure thats working properly | 18:24 |
holstein | yoshimi was also suggested above.. | 18:24 |
JohnnyL | it is terrible to say 'something' to a newb | 18:24 |
JohnnyL | so was audacious. and look how that turned out! | 18:24 |
holstein | JohnnyL: it will be up to you to figure this out | 18:24 |
holstein | the company that made all your hardware is welcome to work with jack and alsa.. and linux. its all open | 18:25 |
holstein | if they dont, it can be challenging.. but, the hardware case is specific to you | 18:25 |
holstein | i cant look in my GUI for my hardware, and help you. since, its different.. | 18:25 |
JohnnyL | like i said i had ardour3 working on this very hardware fine | 18:25 |
holstein | i can only help you find answers | 18:25 |
holstein | JohnnyL: i dont see that you have evidence of the hardware working with jack | 18:25 |
JohnnyL | if you couldn't tell linux sees my maudio plus. | 18:25 |
holstein | when jack is working, then, ardour3, ardour4.. all will just work | 18:26 |
holstein | im not saying anything doesnt 'see' it.. im only volunteering assistance to you to make sure jack is configured properly | 18:26 |
holstein | there is not additional, or different jack config for ardour4 vs ardour3 | 18:28 |
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JohnnyL | there is bugs in jack. | 18:29 |
JohnnyL | qjackctl jack that is. | 18:29 |
holstein | cool | 18:29 |
JohnnyL | it's not loading my default properly. | 18:29 |
holstein | but, the fact is, it works here | 18:29 |
holstein | *many* are using jack, and qjackctl, and ardour4.. so, lets work from the assumption that you *can* use it | 18:30 |
JohnnyL | which prevents me from changing my settings. | 18:30 |
holstein | otherwise, there is no need to volunteer assistance, if, its not going to work | 18:30 |
holstein | JohnnyL: i stop jack, and change settings, and start jack again | 18:30 |
JohnnyL | i am going to try commandline next. | 18:31 |
holstein | why? | 18:31 |
holstein | who is suggesting what? | 18:31 |
JohnnyL | holstein: your no listening are you? | 18:31 |
holstein | someone suggests startinng jack from the commandline? | 18:31 |
JohnnyL | holstein: didn't i just mention that qjackctl has bugs? | 18:31 |
holstein | JohnnyL: sure, friend.. you *did* mention that. its just that, *i* can do what you are trying to do, here.. so do many others | 18:32 |
holstein | so, i dont think its "qjackctl has a bug" that is keeping you from using ardour4 with jack.. | 18:32 |
JohnnyL | wow, these were very lazy programmers. | 18:33 |
holstein | lazy? | 18:33 |
holstein | you mean, the other folks who volunteered there time for the product? | 18:33 |
holstein | lol | 18:33 |
JohnnyL | holstein: they weren't paid enough! | 18:33 |
holstein | "they" will likely be glad to discuss that with you. if you'd like to put them on salary for you | 18:34 |
holstein | otherwise, many use the same "lazy" code, with jack, qjacktl, and ardour4.. all of which, are open, if you'd like to either, provide "better" code, or pay someone else to | 18:35 |
spectromas | JohnnyL: identify the bug and report it. None of the software you are talking about has been abandoned so it will be fixed if you can report a valid bug | 18:36 |
JohnnyL | it may be a better use of my resources. | 18:36 |
JohnnyL | indeed it may be. | 18:36 |
JohnnyL | i just wanna f*** play. | 18:37 |
spectromas | JohnnyL: are you sure ardour has been configured to use jack in the settings? | 18:37 |
JohnnyL | spectromas: yes it's using it no errors. | 18:37 |
JohnnyL | i get the disconnect from jack dialog. | 18:37 |
JohnnyL | are the signals weak | 18:39 |
holstein | ? | 18:39 |
JohnnyL | i have them at around 75%. | 18:39 |
spectromas | I don't understand what you're talking about. "yes it's using it no errors" ardour is using jack with no errors? I don't know what the dialog is that you mention, please post the full message | 18:39 |
holstein | jack, nor qjackclt have nothing to do with the levels, though | 18:39 |
holstein | you are mixing hardware and software issues.. | 18:39 |
holstein | and, "its working with a weak signal" requires different support than "jack is buggy and not working" | 18:39 |
JohnnyL | spectromas: sorry i don't think the technology for cutting and pasting a gui has been invented yet. unless you mean printscreen. | 18:39 |
spectromas | do what you want JohnnyL | 18:40 |
spectromas | troll away | 18:40 |
holstein | JohnnyL: whatever you want to do that helps a volunteer assist you | 18:40 |
holstein | an image, a pastebin | 18:40 |
JohnnyL | ok | 18:40 |
holstein | *whatever* constructively conveys facts.. | 18:40 |
JohnnyL | takes about 1 minute. then the response is 'ok. are you sure ardour is working?' | 18:41 |
JohnnyL | i don't recall my imgur account. | 18:41 |
JohnnyL | i'm smart enough to know to be lazy about this configuration item. | 18:41 |
spectromas | goodness me | 18:41 |
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JohnnyL | l8r | 18:43 |
holstein | o/ | 18:43 |
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holstein | pushes my buttons... | 18:43 |
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maitake | Does falktx come around much? | 20:14 |
falktx | you mean this guy | 20:15 |
falktx | ? | 20:15 |
maitake | Haha | 20:16 |
maitake | Oh my | 20:16 |
maitake | Yes :) | 20:16 |
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maitake | I was having trouble getting carla to load Windows vsts using carla rack in bitwig. I'm on ubuntu studio, and installed carla and it's bridges from the repo | 20:17 |
maitake | Any ideas? Or have the bridges just been a little wacky yet in their development? | 20:18 |
maitake | Actually hold on. Would be better to paste the error it gives | 20:19 |
maitake | "Timeout while waiting for a response from plugin-bridge | 20:19 |
maitake | (or the plugin crashed on initialization?)" | 20:19 |
maitake | The plugin (synth1) works okay in carla itself, just not the carlarack plugin | 20:20 |
maitake | I could be mistaken and it's a bitwig problem I guess | 20:21 |
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maitake | Am considering installing your distro/livecd and trying bitwig on it | 20:26 |
holstein | i suppose it would be ideal if you had native linux software to work with.. but, this is the "best" community for trying to make things work via wine, etc | 20:29 |
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maitake | Bitwig isn't native? | 20:30 |
maitake | Or you mean the vsts? | 20:30 |
maitake | Haha | 20:30 |
falktx | well, yeah, the bridges are a work in progress | 20:32 |
falktx | it's been a while since I tried running them via wine. | 20:33 |
maitake | Oh okay | 20:33 |
falktx | as time goes by I use wine less and less | 20:33 |
falktx | let me see if it works in renoise | 20:33 |
maitake | I suspected that might be the case | 20:33 |
holstein | i would bet it near impossible to keep up with the changes.. | 20:33 |
maitake | Only a handful of people brave enough to attempt bridging win32 | 20:34 |
maitake | Thanks falk | 20:34 |
holstein | are we calling that "brave" now? ;) | 20:34 |
falktx | I need to get a few things sorted up first before it becomes a reliable experience | 20:34 |
falktx | this audio out-of-process thing is very tricky | 20:34 |
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maitake | Lol holstein | 20:35 |
JohnnyL | wow. i just don't know where to begin. this shouldn't be rocket science. | 20:35 |
maitake | Huh? | 20:35 |
holstein | i would start at the beginning, JohnnyL .. isolate the parts that you are testing | 20:36 |
JohnnyL | well linux sees the device. | 20:36 |
JohnnyL | catia connections look okay. | 20:36 |
holstein | looks? | 20:36 |
JohnnyL | just 0 signal. | 20:36 |
holstein | test them, and see | 20:36 |
JohnnyL | how? | 20:36 |
holstein | JohnnyL: by routing a source, through.. and using your ears, friend | 20:36 |
falktx | maitake: it's working for me here in renoise | 20:36 |
holstein | you cant trust the labels provided by alsa.. you can use alsamixer and tweak *all* settings.. | 20:37 |
maitake | Oh hmm | 20:37 |
falktx | maitake: but users have been reporting having issues running them | 20:37 |
JohnnyL | holstein: pressing the piano keys is something i have tried many many times. | 20:37 |
maitake | Okay. I'll tinker some more | 20:37 |
JohnnyL | theorectically i should be very very close. | 20:37 |
maitake | Maybe it's audio issues on ubuntu studio I have installed | 20:37 |
JohnnyL | im using PulseAudio Jack Source/Sink. | 20:38 |
holstein | JohnnyL: you dont need to get 'close' at all.. just test, and see what is working, and troubleshoot.. isolating things, rather than compouding them | 20:38 |
JohnnyL | i tested everything already. | 20:38 |
JohnnyL | i enabled all l to l , r to r. and still no signal. | 20:38 |
holstein | what would i do? again.. unplug the USB device. get jack runing on the internal audio device. make *anything* play using jack, not pulse, and test that it plays back, through jack.. then, plug my USB device in, get jack runing again, on it.. do the same. and test | 20:39 |
JohnnyL | ardour can only start read only sessions. is that ok? | 20:40 |
holstein | ardour is not relevant | 20:40 |
holstein | *jack*.. test jack. its the key | 20:40 |
holstein | ardour, and *all* other sofware will just work, when jack is setup properly | 20:40 |
JohnnyL | holstein: ok | 20:40 |
maitake | I tinkered with cadence and it solved my jack issues | 20:40 |
JohnnyL | input/output channes are both 0. | 20:42 |
JohnnyL | cadence is up. | 20:42 |
JohnnyL | settings look good. | 20:42 |
holstein | sure.. and looks dont matter | 20:42 |
holstein | use your ears, to route a source, utilizing jack, and actually *hear* some audio play | 20:43 |
holstein | dont trust labels, or the way things look | 20:43 |
JohnnyL | pulseaudio --daemonize --high-priority --realtime --exit-idle-time=-1 --file=/usr/share/cadence/pulse2jack/play+rec.pa -n | 20:44 |
JohnnyL | should i kill pulseudio? | 20:44 |
holstein | i disable the pulse to jack bridge.. but, they are made to work together. you just shouldnt get off track | 20:44 |
holstein | now, you are making an issue with pulse, when you stil havent simply routed an audio source, and tested jack | 20:45 |
holstein | dont get distracted. just route a jack source, and see that you hear it.. | 20:45 |
JohnnyL | how do i route a jack source? | 20:45 |
holstein | i use qjackctl "connect".. but, there are other tools | 20:46 |
JohnnyL | that turns on qjackctl, not routes. | 20:46 |
holstein | ok | 20:46 |
holstein | then, use whatever *is* working | 20:47 |
holstein | qjackctl works like a charm here.. no issues | 20:47 |
holstein | its only an issue when jack is not running on the hardware properly, which, i feel is your issue | 20:47 |
JohnnyL | ah | 20:50 |
JohnnyL | i think the problem might be routing | 20:51 |
JohnnyL | how can I send you an image holstein ? | 20:51 |
holstein | if you havent routed anything, then, yes.. thats the issue | 20:51 |
holstein | you'll have to make the connections, somewhere.. | 20:51 |
holstein | *after* getting jack running.. | 20:51 |
holstein | JohnnyL: i have no paramaters on how you share an image with the community here.. | 20:51 |
JohnnyL | in jack ardour is connected to system, but not PulseAudio Jack sink. | 20:52 |
holstein | pulse is not needed for what you are trying to do, or what i am asking you to try | 20:52 |
holstein | i want you to see about routing something via jack.. not the pulse audio bridge | 20:52 |
holstein | and, to record something into ardour fromm your audio device, you wont be using pulse either | 20:53 |
JohnnyL | holstein: I think this is it! | 20:54 |
JohnnyL | holstein: http://imgur.com/plBPdrX | 20:54 |
LAbot | Title: Imgur (at imgur.com) | 20:54 |
holstein | see what a mess you have there? | 20:55 |
holstein | you have no need to test so many things at once | 20:55 |
JohnnyL | holstein: i only enabled everything to see it work. but i didn't do it with jack, not inside ardour4. | 20:55 |
holstein | i say, close ardour.. see that literally anything plays back.. | 20:55 |
holstein | JohnnyL: sure.. i said, you can use other things to route | 20:55 |
holstein | ardour can do it, as well as other outside applications | 20:56 |
JohnnyL | alright, i restarted ardour4 with default mappings in new session. what are the essential routes needed? | 20:58 |
holstein | ? | 20:58 |
holstein | you need what you need | 20:58 |
JohnnyL | master audio in to pulseauio jack sink front-left? | 20:58 |
holstein | outputs to your monitor device. inputs based on whatever you are doing and want | 20:58 |
holstein | there is no "default".. just what you need.. | 20:58 |
holstein | pulse audio is just for that.. routing pulse soures into jack | 20:59 |
holstein | you dont need to route ardour through that, for any reason | 20:59 |
holstein | unless, you, for example, wanted to record a skype call straight into ardour.. | 20:59 |
holstein | something that doesnt have jack support.. | 20:59 |
JohnnyL | i am asking what i need. | 21:00 |
holstein | right | 21:00 |
holstein | and im saying, only you know that | 21:00 |
holstein | but, nothing you have said you need requires pulse.. | 21:00 |
JohnnyL | wow, i'm routing youtube into ardour4! | 21:00 |
holstein | right. through the pulse bridge | 21:01 |
JohnnyL | well thats a start! | 21:01 |
JohnnyL | ;) | 21:01 |
holstein | but, nothing is preventing youtube, or your browser from officially supporting and having jack support | 21:01 |
holstein | *anything* from the system, will come in on that.. any pulse source.. non jack sources | 21:01 |
holstein | why is that relevant? becuase you cant seperate them out.. for example, that skype call i refernced *and* your youtube vid.. on the same stereo input | 21:02 |
holstein | not that you need to, for any reason that im aware of | 21:02 |
JohnnyL | i need a course in rooting dude. | 21:03 |
holstein | what do i do? i just simpley open things, and start routing | 21:03 |
holstein | there are many references around.. you just have to know how to share details about what your goals are | 21:04 |
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JohnnyL | YES! | 21:06 |
JohnnyL | Getting signal! | 21:07 |
JohnnyL | Than you holstein! | 21:07 |
JohnnyL | Thank you holstein! | 21:07 |
JohnnyL | i disconnected everything and started from scratch. | 21:07 |
JohnnyL | it's a weak signal but it's showing up. | 21:09 |
JohnnyL | and i can't record | 21:09 |
holstein | and, i assume, you have opened alsamixer in the terminal, and tried tweaking settings there.. since i suggested it a few times above | 21:09 |
holstein | to address the "weak signal" issue. which, is not an issue at all, but, a simple setting.. where, you actually *dont* have a problem, but, you just need to turn the volume/gain up | 21:09 |
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JohnnyL | yes, alsamixer keeps resetting though. | 21:18 |
JohnnyL | it's at 100 though. | 21:19 |
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JohnnyL | even with the alsa mixer and ardour mixer at max it's super weak. | 21:21 |
holstein | JohnnyL: there are many setings in alsamixer. you likely dont have it set to show everthing.. | 21:21 |
holstein | JohnnyL: also, what is "superweak"? | 21:21 |
JohnnyL | i can barely hear the output. | 21:22 |
holstein | JohnnyL: of what! | 21:22 |
JohnnyL | but at least i can hear it! | 21:22 |
JohnnyL | korg keyboard | 21:22 |
holstein | JohnnyL: what are you routin, friend? | 21:22 |
JohnnyL | thrugh an maudio interface. | 21:22 |
holstein | JohnnyL: ok. the keyboard should have a level.. a send level.. and you need to make sure you are going into and out of the apprporiate connections | 21:23 |
JohnnyL | ah ok | 21:23 |
JohnnyL | kmix to the rescue. | 21:23 |
JohnnyL | it outperformed alsamixer by feature. | 21:24 |
JohnnyL | i can hear it fine now. | 21:24 |
holstein | lol | 21:24 |
holstein | it allowed you to set the settings that i was trying to tell you how to do with alsamixer | 21:24 |
holstein | the settings are the same | 21:24 |
holstein | anyways.. if you want to think its better, whatever | 21:24 |
JohnnyL | a bit of latency. | 21:24 |
JohnnyL | reminds me of a bad midi. | 21:24 |
holstein | i would expect it with a USB device that is not intended to support the operatinng system you are using | 21:24 |
holstein | anyways, you dont need to monitor the keyboard through the software | 21:25 |
holstein | you can monitor local, and live, in realtime.. and let the machine record it when it wants to.. | 21:25 |
JohnnyL | okay the only thing i needing is recording compability. it doesn't appear to be able to record. | 21:26 |
holstein | ardour will record, whatever you route to a channel you create to it, when, you stop looking at how things 'appear', and assume that folks *do* record things with ardour ;) | 21:26 |
holstein | i have a usb maudio device.. i route whatever i want to ardour, and record it, and you can learn to do so, as well | 21:27 |
JohnnyL | quality isn't that good. not like from the actual keyboard. | 21:27 |
JohnnyL | yeah, maybe i'm missing a routing? | 21:27 |
holstein | and, how are you acertaining this quality level? | 21:27 |
holstein | anyways, again, no need to throw another thing in the mix | 21:27 |
holstein | now, you cant record, you have latency, and you have bad quality.. | 21:28 |
holstein | and, that was just in a few minutes after you were sure the code was bad ;) | 21:28 |
JohnnyL | my log reads: [ERROR]: Error: could not write /home/john/.config/ardour4/instant.xml | 21:28 |
holstein | anyways, good luck.. i must run.. try #opensourcemusicians if its quiet here.. | 21:28 |
JohnnyL | the quality isn't great. but i least i can hear it | 21:28 |
holstein | JohnnyL: so.. messages are not errors.. | 21:28 |
JohnnyL | ok | 21:28 |
holstein | the quality is as i set it to be, here | 21:29 |
holstein | o/ | 21:29 |
JohnnyL | thank you holstein . much appreciated! | 21:29 |
holstein | its been a great pressure.. i mean, pleasure.. | 21:29 |
holstein | ;) | 21:29 |
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JohnnyL | holstein: :) | 21:38 |
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JohnnyL | distrozapper: hey | 21:52 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, Hi! How did your USB iso installation run? | 22:05 |
JohnnyL | distrozapper: just got it fully working 1/2 hour ago. | 22:05 |
JohnnyL | so it took a full day with 11 hours sleep | 22:06 |
JohnnyL | i'm pysched. it sounds pretty good too. | 22:06 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, kxstudio or ubuntu? | 22:06 |
JohnnyL | i just had to manually route via inside jack (inside of the poor ardour interface i was using). | 22:06 |
JohnnyL | ubuntu. | 22:06 |
distrozapper | ok | 22:06 |
JohnnyL | kxstudio is not usb ready. | 22:06 |
JohnnyL | s/inside/instead | 22:07 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, pity it didnt work for you. But at least you got a working base. | 22:08 |
JohnnyL | i did quite a few things to make it kxstudio friendly. | 22:09 |
JohnnyL | but yes. aparently the beta version has usb support. | 22:09 |
JohnnyL | i am going to take a nice break. | 22:10 |
JohnnyL | i deserve it. | 22:10 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, you are using an M-Audio FT Pro? | 22:10 |
JohnnyL | ubuntu wasn't accepting the physical dimensions of the drive. so i did a mkfs.ext -b 4096 and then it worked. | 22:11 |
JohnnyL | no maudio plus interface with a korg krome. | 22:11 |
distrozapper | wut da heck | 22:11 |
JohnnyL | physical is 4096 byte blocks instead of 512. | 22:11 |
JohnnyL | i think 512 maxes at 2 terabytes? | 22:11 |
JohnnyL | that ubuntu format thing took about 3 hours. | 22:12 |
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distrozapper | Hm so you got a pure 4K drive without 512byte sector emulation. | 22:12 |
JohnnyL | i don't see why a block size would put a limit. but thats what I read. | 22:12 |
JohnnyL | but who the hell knows what some people on the internet say. | 22:12 |
distrozapper | weird | 22:13 |
JohnnyL | distrozapper: i'm not sure. | 22:13 |
JohnnyL | ubuntu seemed to format over what i did. | 22:13 |
JohnnyL | it may still be 512. | 22:13 |
JohnnyL | it could have been a guardian install without actual operations needed to be 4096. | 22:14 |
JohnnyL | i did look at the drive again and it did say 512. | 22:14 |
JohnnyL | i had issues copying my backup data. it did a complete blocking at 41megs a second. mouse wasn't even active. | 22:15 |
JohnnyL | but it worked. | 22:15 |
JohnnyL | haven't had any other locking issues since then. | 22:15 |
JohnnyL | but man, what a fucking trial. haha. | 22:15 |
distrozapper | JohnnyL, yep, not a fine begin. Are you content with the drive's R/W throughput? | 22:16 |
JohnnyL | yes, i gave jack the -S parameter. and fiddled with rtirq, and am using a low latency kernel. | 22:21 |
JohnnyL | it's just about as fast as the keyboard itself. and the sounds is quite acceptable. | 22:21 |
JohnnyL | wow. | 22:22 |
JohnnyL | so happy now! :) | 22:22 |
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JohnnyL | the piaz de resistance is the reboot-run. bbl | 22:31 |
JohnnyL | good to see you again distrozapper , catcha l8r. | 22:32 |
distrozapper | OK bye | 22:32 |
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