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falktx | if it works ok it's one less thing to worry about for beta4 | 12:45 |
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falktx | HarryHaaren: now that you'll be using pugl, will you release osx/win binaries? | 13:19 |
HarryHaaren | falktx, i'm hoping to do that eventually yes - i don't have a windows OsX install here now, so its not a priority | 13:20 |
falktx | HarryHaaren: cool, you can ping me anytime to try building those | 13:20 |
HarryHaaren | we should chat about plugins / linux-audio / LV2 stuff at LAC - there's a few things I'd like to talk about to the devs about this stuff | 13:20 |
falktx | they need to be released first anyway :P | 13:21 |
falktx | hack & roll ! | 13:21 |
HarryHaaren | that too - but this isn't really about OpenAV plugins - its more about general community around linux-audio plugins | 13:21 |
HarryHaaren | yep! | 13:21 |
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WTS | hmmmmm i gotta question | 13:59 |
WTS | i used to use kx with xubuntu -> mixxx | 13:59 |
WTS | now i use pclinuxos which unfortuantely does not have support for my herc rmx 1 drivers beyond HID... and jack has never ever ever worked for me on any distro or box i tried it on. so | 14:00 |
WTS | i got myself an external fx unit | 14:01 |
WTS | MPX-100 from lexicon | 14:01 |
WTS | now it's a fine specimen, lots of possibilities. i already found out there's no mixer loopback for the rmx unfortunately... | 14:02 |
WTS | no prob i just slap that sweet sweet double dip of delay on the combined out... works well enough for my purposes. | 14:03 |
WTS | but | 14:03 |
WTS | like with other delay knob slabs i tried | 14:04 |
WTS | turn it on, and the bass is gone :( | 14:04 |
WTS | unlike in my traktor 3 | 14:04 |
WTS | what do? | 14:04 |
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HarryHaaren | WTS, you're saying about 10 different things - what's the question? :D | 14:24 |
WTS | haha whoops sorry for the infoburst | 14:25 |
WTS | okay | 14:25 |
WTS | (you are right actually, reading back) | 14:25 |
WTS | 1: unlike all of the soft delays i have used so far, my hardware delay FX box loses the low end when i turn up the fx | 14:26 |
HarryHaaren | i trust lexicon enough to assume they have a normal delay line... | 14:28 |
WTS | what can I do to mitigate, live adjustment of the EQ is not feasible in live setting, and risky | 14:28 |
HarryHaaren | whats the delay lenght | 14:28 |
HarryHaaren | caus if its in a specific range, you're gonna be phase-cancelling your bass - and then'll Ill have a chuckle :) | 14:29 |
WTS | there is a knob with "variation" on it going in increments from 1-16 | 14:29 |
HarryHaaren | sure - what do you have it set to? | 14:29 |
WTS | varies. in traktor i used 4/4 2/4 3/8 3/16 a lot | 14:29 |
* HarryHaaren used an MPX 100 for a band before - a stereo one... is that the MPX 200? Dunno. Anyway, no issues with the delay there | 14:29 | |
HarryHaaren | WTS, totally different - Traktor knows what BPM you're running at - the MPX doesnt | 14:30 |
WTS | here i can't do that. if I turn that knob it resets the volume for a moment | 14:30 |
WTS | oh, sure that's true | 14:30 |
WTS | in traktor I always did 5% amount, 0% feedback. 45% sustain and 4/4 ---> turn on (no real audible difference) --> freeze button and it would loop the last 4 bars while super gently fading ever so slightly away | 14:31 |
WTS | i know it doesn't count bpms, of course, but the difference is extreme in how it affects throughput | 14:32 |
HarryHaaren | WTS, do you understand how a delay-length will influence the signal due to phasing? that's probably the cause of your lack of bass | 14:32 |
HarryHaaren | short of high-pass filtering the delayed signal, there's no way around that. And the MPX-100 has no option to high-pass the delayed signal - so you're out of luck there. | 14:33 |
HarryHaaren | luckily for you, you can use JACK and software ;P | 14:33 |
WTS | i see how phasing would come into it yes | 14:33 |
WTS | no i can't | 14:33 |
WTS | i tried | 14:33 |
WTS | clean installs, having others set it up | 14:34 |
WTS | kx, ubuntu studio, multiple buntus, pcLOS | 14:34 |
HarryHaaren | hehe it was a joke - but detail your issue and somebody here will probably be able help. | 14:34 |
WTS | you actually did already help me. | 14:34 |
HarryHaaren | i mean with setting up JACK - assuming your audio interface is class-compliant, its a matter of clicking the right places and it will work | 14:35 |
WTS | yeah, fun story. there's just the one pic on the mixxx wiki. followed to the letter. i just miss one connector. | 14:35 |
WTS | i also tried with my azalia (intel HDA). same. | 14:36 |
HarryHaaren | i used to have a Herc "Dual MP3" or something like that - worked ok iirc | 14:36 |
HarryHaaren | right - i have an Intel HDA here on my laptop - works fine | 14:36 |
HarryHaaren | link to wiki page? | 14:36 |
WTS | okay, it's been a year since i tried jack last, why not give it another go... sec imma link | 14:37 |
HarryHaaren | WTS, tag me (type harr<tab>) and it should auto-complete - that way I'll know when you've replied to me | 14:37 |
WTS | HarryHaaren: http://www.mixxx.org/manual/latest/chapters/advanced_topics.html | 14:38 |
LAbot` | Title: 11. Advanced Topics Mixxx User Manual (at www.mixxx.org) | 14:38 |
WTS | item 11.3 | 14:38 |
WTS | HarryHaaren: 11.3.2 to be precies | 14:38 |
HarryHaaren | WTS, right, so what's the issue? | 14:38 |
WTS | okay i am not on my xubuntu lappy, but i have mixxx and jack on PClinuxOS desktop too | 14:39 |
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WTS | i can get the laptop in a min or 2 | 14:40 |
WTS | basically i set up jack rack (also tried calf) and mixxx and a jack session | 14:40 |
HarryHaaren | yup - so JACK starts and works in general? | 14:40 |
WTS | HarryHaaren: it's precisely like in the image shown on the wiki @ 11.3.2 -- except instead of 2in 2out i get 0 & 3 | 14:41 |
WTS | or the other way around | 14:41 |
HarryHaaren | WTS, so Mixxx doesn't have the ports you need? | 14:42 |
WTS | no, mixx had them | 14:43 |
WTS | for some reason my soundcard was being detected wrong by the jack GUI, and only by jack | 14:43 |
WTS | i will go set it up now sec | 14:43 |
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HarryHaaren | WTS, right - so your soundcard has a *physical* limit to the amount of audio channels it can play back - the Intel HDA generally has 2 channels: "stereo". | 14:46 |
WTS | also thanks for helping out, wasn't shooting for jack help but if that works finally i am equally elated :D | 14:46 |
WTS | yeah, however it should detect the herc rmx internal card | 14:46 |
HarryHaaren | the beauty of JACK is that you can route Mixxx -> Jack-based FX -> Mixxx -> Soundcard | 14:46 |
WTS | in my mixer | 14:46 |
HarryHaaren | sure - so the big question is getting JACK setup on the Rmx interface | 14:47 |
WTS | which has 2x2RCA in 2x2RCA out | 14:47 |
WTS | hmmmm... mixxx -> jackFX -> mixxx -> soundcard i had not considered . | 14:48 |
WTS | i was planning to use some midi-modifying VST shenanigans to send signals to two applications using one device. | 14:49 |
HarryHaaren | "midi modifying VST henanigans" -> good luck -> won't be helping you there :D | 14:49 |
WTS | no problem | 14:49 |
WTS | i can already do that | 14:49 |
WTS | that's why i was so pissed i couldn't hook up the sound XD | 14:49 |
HarryHaaren | in that case - write a blog post about what it is you're doing - i'm interested in why you're doing that :D | 14:49 |
WTS | i will | 14:50 |
WTS | i actually did something i never saw anyone else do few yrs ago | 14:50 |
HarryHaaren | WTS, got the RMX around? Try starting JACK on it and we'll see what we can do | 14:50 |
WTS | use aka lpd8 as windows input device | 14:50 |
HarryHaaren | cool - definatly interested in that | 14:50 |
WTS | and to play games | 14:50 |
HarryHaaren | i've and LPD8 here - play games? What tetris using the squares? XD | 14:50 |
WTS | oh hahaha not even considered that | 14:50 |
WTS | no, I used a midi to keystroke mapper to send events to explorer, firefox, streets of rage remake | 14:51 |
WTS | but i could also interject one of several midi loopbacks to involve VSTs | 14:52 |
WTS | which had very simple functions | 14:52 |
WTS | "receive midi signal X, output midi signal YZ + A to window 1 on screen 2 | 14:52 |
WTS | err | 14:52 |
HarryHaaren | right - linux is nice for this reason - total configurability! | 14:53 |
HarryHaaren | i have some keystroke macros for multiple things here - just nice n easy | 14:53 |
WTS | output midi signal YZ to midi->keystroke mapper -> then to windows | 14:53 |
WTS | yeah | 14:53 |
WTS | i have some ideas about how to leverage the lpd8 as a hud for transcendence | 14:53 |
HarryHaaren | but back on topic, what "thing" were you doing musically? | 14:53 |
WTS | space roguelike | 14:53 |
* HarryHaaren does play games anymore :) | 14:54 | |
WTS | have it respond with lights to low fuel events, etc | 14:54 |
WTS | i mainly mod it. ;D | 14:54 |
WTS | yeah | 14:54 |
WTS | okay i used to do traktor 3, mix psychedelic industrial techno (yes, that's a thing and yes, it's lonely :P) | 14:54 |
WTS | small samsung netbook, herc | 14:55 |
* HarryHaaren loves psy ind tech | 14:55 | |
WTS | :O :O | 14:55 |
HarryHaaren | lol jk :D | 14:55 |
WTS | damn | 14:55 |
WTS | hehehe | 14:55 |
WTS | you never stop hopingh | 14:55 |
HarryHaaren | i do quite like my infected mushroom and some asterix though | 14:55 |
WTS | let me link you to an EP you will hate | 14:56 |
HarryHaaren | what's a psy ind tech band? Your "favorite" ? | 14:56 |
HarryHaaren | sure yeah | 14:56 |
* HarryHaaren cues a link to something you're hopefully not familiar with | 14:56 | |
HarryHaaren | DJ-off! :D | 14:56 |
WTS | yeah i'm game, i like lots of things :D | 14:56 |
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WTS | oh the site is dead. damn them! youtube follows | 14:58 |
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WTS | ....and someone uploaded the wrong song for A-side and B-side is faulty glitchy mess. no vocals then for us today | 15:01 |
WTS | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VppApETZ4GM | 15:02 |
LAbot` | Title: Trimada - Black Soul - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | 15:02 |
WTS | here you go | 15:02 |
* HarryHaaren pauses liquid-dnb mix, and checks it out | 15:05 | |
WTS | oooh that and neurofunk i like :) :) | 15:06 |
WTS | that link is near the extreme end of unfriendly music in my crate, i also play more uplifting psytech breaks and tribal flavors of either | 15:07 |
HarryHaaren | this is pretty ok - i used to be in a (varied) metal band, so distortion doesn't bother me, the sound design always feels so "raw" and unfinished in these genres IMO though.. | 15:07 |
HarryHaaren | right - more refined sound-design in general i guess | 15:08 |
WTS | :D | 15:08 |
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WTS | i like the raw edged distortion. also vocals when used in the right places :D | 15:09 |
HarryHaaren | some folks I know released this recently - i love the sound-design - https://kamizdat.bandcamp.com/track/arcologies | 15:09 |
LAbot` | Title: Arcologies | KAMIZDAT (at kamizdat.bandcamp.com) | 15:09 |
HarryHaaren | sure - distortion is "interest" to the ear. metal-listeners generally hear melody through the "interest" (distortion) | 15:09 |
WTS | !!! i am alwats open to recommendations. love love love new sounds | 15:09 |
HarryHaaren | while people not familiar with metal hear "noise" without the melody | 15:10 |
HarryHaaren | that track builds slowly, but checkout the album if you like it https://kamizdat.bandcamp.com/album/arp-339 | 15:10 |
LAbot` | Title: ARP 339 | KAMIZDAT (at kamizdat.bandcamp.com) | 15:10 |
WTS | well, there's of course also the classically inspired riffage of power metal etc | 15:10 |
WTS | but yeah totes agree | 15:11 |
WTS | that's how i got into metal actually | 15:11 |
HarryHaaren | right - Children of Bodom used to be a favorite of mine, due to classical influence | 15:11 |
HarryHaaren | classical? | 15:11 |
WTS | no, the textures in the noise spaced me out as much as banging dance music (back then i dj'd south african style psy) | 15:12 |
WTS | hehe my gf then was a big fan. huge poster in front of the bed on the wall | 15:12 |
WTS | i had to get used to waking up there | 15:12 |
HarryHaaren | hahah | 15:12 |
HarryHaaren | which poster? | 15:13 |
WTS | i'mma google it, sec | 15:13 |
HarryHaaren | doesn't matter - they all had a big reaper on it :D | 15:13 |
WTS | yeah | 15:13 |
WTS | first hit on google | 15:13 |
WTS | boom | 15:13 |
WTS | double scythe | 15:14 |
WTS | oh wait: http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2015/02/02/608580/832fa500fa78e6e0b80b20f7e86662ac.jpg | 15:14 |
WTS | :D | 15:14 |
WTS | it was a metal bedroom. black and dark everywhere. and that thing. red | 15:14 |
WTS | man i am DIGGING that arp 339 track | 15:15 |
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HarryHaaren | hah pretty creepy poster yup | 15:16 |
HarryHaaren | they're a duo, and they've been doing things for years - i hope this "takes off" to let them work full time on it | 15:17 |
WTS | thx this is going on the list. i actuaslly started listening to some psy-psy again recently that is somewhat in this vein. | 15:17 |
HarryHaaren | awesome ideas - and the vocals/text generally have some pretty valid social commentary too | 15:17 |
HarryHaaren | i bought the USB "album" version, i like the idea of supporting artists - but why would I want a CD if I can have the .flac!? | 15:18 |
WTS | yeah i can see why you like this. there's a lot to enjoy here. | 15:18 |
WTS | hahahahahaha | 15:18 |
WTS | yeah man | 15:18 |
WTS | i generally give away the cd | 15:18 |
WTS | or LP | 15:18 |
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WTS | know danny kreutzfeldt/periskop? | 15:18 |
WTS | he released his latest album for free. and included 39 free bonus albums | 15:18 |
WTS | o_O | 15:18 |
HarryHaaren | this is the same guys as the album I linked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPMRgDpCepI | 15:19 |
LAbot` | Title: LAC2010 - Linux Sound Night@SJU (5) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | 15:19 |
HarryHaaren | bit more "chaos" stuff | 15:19 |
WTS | hehehe you'll have to excuse me while i slurp their bandcamp page ;) | 15:20 |
HarryHaaren | its tea time here - chat ya in 20 if you're here - try the RMX in the mean time | 15:20 |
HarryHaaren | sure | 15:20 |
WTS | yeah i will, misplaced my battery for laptop XD. be back in 30!!! enjoy your tea | 15:20 |
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falktx | it works! | 15:32 |
falktx | I finally got to experience that serious crash-on-removal bug thanks to mac-os | 15:33 |
falktx | so at least it's useful for something | 15:33 |
falktx | https://i.imgur.com/jtW2AVc.png :) | 15:33 |
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HarryHaaren | WTS, back - hows the status | 15:55 |
HarryHaaren | falktx, niceone | 15:55 |
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WTS | got the asdapter HarryHaaren | 16:01 |
WTS | hooking it up now | 16:01 |
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WTS | HarryHaaren: booting | 16:11 |
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WTS | HarryHaaren: I think i got d/c'd from IRC, but here I am again all ready and booted and geared up :D | 16:18 |
HarryHaaren | WTS, try starting jack - QJackCtl -setup window - check the optiosn | 16:21 |
WTS | via command line i take it? | 16:23 |
HarryHaaren | nah QJackCtl is fine | 16:24 |
HarryHaaren | see this if you're not familiar with it - just pay attention to the QJackCtl parts www.libremusicproduction.com/articles/demystifying-jack-–-beginners-guide-getting-started-jack | 16:24 |
WTS | hmmmmm .... it seems i gave up so hard on jack that i uninstalled all related software from the dj box last year. | 16:26 |
WTS | hehe that link | 16:26 |
WTS | very fresh | 16:27 |
WTS | 15-2 | 16:27 |
WTS | HarryHaaren: i'm taking a timeout to read the link, and download qjackctl again! very enlightening post on that site | 16:28 |
WTS | be back shortly!! | 16:28 |
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WTS | HarryHaaren: okay internet is being terribly slow atm. however. i have another box with qjackctl and mixx and several more related packages already installed. i propose we try that route? | 16:40 |
WTS | it's already up and running | 16:40 |
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HarryHaaren | WTS, hey - sorry was outside helping unload some building-stuff | 17:10 |
HarryHaaren | sure try the other box all the same to me | 17:10 |
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WTS | got company, bbiab !!!! | 17:26 |
HarryHaaren | grand - laters | 17:26 |
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WTS | soooo..... new juicy KX is out i see. i also see there are debian and arch flavors out there. nice. | 19:54 |
falktx | arch? | 19:55 |
WTS | and i see studio 13.37 offered for free on linuxquestions. :O | 19:55 |
falktx | no | 19:55 |
falktx | studio13.37 is kind of a sham/spam/etc | 19:55 |
WTS | i see arch has some kx apps in repo -- but not the full thing then? | 19:56 |
falktx | depends on what you consider the full thing | 19:57 |
falktx | kxstudio has a distro is retired | 19:57 |
falktx | I only make the ISO because users ask for it | 19:57 |
falktx | otherwise kxstudio would be just apps + repos (which is better in my opinion) | 19:58 |
WTS | okay, yeah makes sense | 20:00 |
WTS | last time i used it i went gnome ubuntu 13.10 -> meta pack from repo | 20:01 |
WTS | also got ubuntu stusio at that time | 20:01 |
WTS | anything changed in that regard? | 20:01 |
falktx | what? | 20:02 |
WTS | well, i had all kinds of weirdness back then but >_> <_< it wasn't just me installing so many apps from repo of all types..gnome ubuntu is suck | 20:03 |
falktx | you only install what you want | 20:05 |
WTS | looking back... i got QT, gtk2+, gtk3+, kde, wine, XFCE versions of many programs.... yeah that will run smoothly | 20:05 |
WTS | yeah | 20:05 |
WTS | it was my own silly fault | 20:05 |
WTS | kx made me want to try kde actually | 20:06 |
WTS | which i will do this week | 20:06 |
WTS | seeinmg those apps side by side was educational so thanks ;) | 20:07 |
WTS | i hope this time i will break my streak and get jack up | 20:07 |
WTS | anyhowm i'll be off at the wiki to prevent annoying questions bbl ;D | 20:09 |
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