Saturday, 2015-02-14

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* falktx is building carla for osx, finally12:45
falktxif it works ok it's one less thing to worry about for beta412:45
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falktxHarryHaaren: now that you'll be using pugl, will you release osx/win binaries?13:19
HarryHaarenfalktx, i'm hoping to do that eventually yes - i don't have a windows OsX install here now, so its not a priority13:20
falktxHarryHaaren: cool, you can ping me anytime to try building those13:20
HarryHaarenwe should chat about plugins / linux-audio / LV2 stuff at LAC - there's a few things I'd like to talk about to the devs about this stuff13:20
falktxthey need to be released first anyway :P13:21
falktxhack & roll !13:21
HarryHaarenthat too - but this isn't really about OpenAV plugins - its more about general community around linux-audio plugins13:21
HarryHaarenyep!13:21
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WTShmmmmm i gotta question13:59
WTSi used to use kx with xubuntu -> mixxx13:59
WTSnow i use pclinuxos which unfortuantely does not have support for my herc rmx 1 drivers beyond HID... and jack has never ever ever worked for me on any distro or box i tried it on. so14:00
WTSi got myself an external fx unit14:01
WTSMPX-100 from lexicon14:01
WTSnow it's a fine specimen, lots of possibilities. i already found out there's no mixer loopback for the rmx unfortunately...14:02
WTSno prob i just slap that sweet sweet double dip of delay on the combined out... works well enough for my purposes.14:03
WTSbut14:03
WTSlike with other delay knob slabs i tried14:04
WTSturn it on, and the bass is gone :(14:04
WTSunlike in my traktor 314:04
WTSwhat do?14:04
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HarryHaarenWTS, you're saying about 10 different things - what's the question? :D14:24
WTShaha whoops sorry for the infoburst14:25
WTSokay14:25
WTS(you are right actually, reading back)14:25
WTS1: unlike all of the soft delays i have used so far, my hardware delay FX box loses the low end when i turn up the fx14:26
HarryHaareni trust lexicon enough to assume they have a normal delay line...14:28
WTSwhat can I do to mitigate, live adjustment of the EQ is not feasible in live setting, and risky14:28
HarryHaarenwhats the delay lenght14:28
HarryHaarencaus if its in a specific range, you're gonna be phase-cancelling your bass - and then'll Ill have a chuckle :)14:29
WTSthere is a knob with "variation" on it going in increments from 1-1614:29
HarryHaarensure - what do you have it set to?14:29
WTSvaries. in traktor i used 4/4 2/4 3/8 3/16 a lot14:29
* HarryHaaren used an MPX 100 for a band before - a stereo one... is that the MPX 200? Dunno. Anyway, no issues with the delay there14:29
HarryHaarenWTS, totally different - Traktor knows what BPM you're running at - the MPX doesnt14:30
WTShere i can't do that. if I turn that knob it resets the volume for a moment14:30
WTSoh, sure that's true14:30
WTSin traktor I always did 5% amount, 0% feedback. 45% sustain and 4/4 ---> turn on (no real audible difference) --> freeze button and it would loop the last 4 bars while super gently fading ever so slightly away14:31
WTSi know it doesn't count bpms, of course, but the difference is extreme in how it affects throughput14:32
HarryHaarenWTS, do you understand how a delay-length will influence the signal due to phasing? that's probably the cause of your lack of bass14:32
HarryHaarenshort of high-pass filtering the delayed signal, there's no way around that. And the MPX-100 has no option to high-pass the delayed signal - so you're out of luck there.14:33
HarryHaarenluckily for you, you can use JACK and software ;P14:33
WTSi see how phasing would come into it yes14:33
WTSno i can't14:33
WTSi tried14:33
WTSclean installs, having others set it up14:34
WTSkx, ubuntu studio, multiple buntus, pcLOS14:34
HarryHaarenhehe it was a joke - but detail your issue and somebody here will probably be able help.14:34
WTSyou actually did already help me.14:34
HarryHaareni mean with setting up JACK - assuming your audio interface is class-compliant, its a matter of clicking the right places and it will work14:35
WTSyeah, fun story. there's just the one pic on the mixxx wiki. followed to the letter. i just miss one connector.14:35
WTSi also tried with my azalia (intel HDA). same.14:36
HarryHaareni used to have a Herc "Dual MP3" or something like that - worked ok iirc14:36
HarryHaarenright - i have an Intel HDA here on my laptop - works fine14:36
HarryHaarenlink to wiki page?14:36
WTSokay, it's been a year since i tried jack last, why not give it another go... sec imma link14:37
HarryHaarenWTS, tag me (type harr<tab>) and it should auto-complete - that way I'll know when you've replied to me14:37
WTSHarryHaaren: http://www.mixxx.org/manual/latest/chapters/advanced_topics.html14:38
LAbot`Title: 11. Advanced Topics Mixxx User Manual (at www.mixxx.org)14:38
WTSitem 11.314:38
WTSHarryHaaren: 11.3.2 to be precies14:38
HarryHaarenWTS, right, so what's the issue?14:38
WTSokay i am not on my xubuntu lappy, but i have mixxx and jack on PClinuxOS desktop too14:39
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WTSi can get the laptop in a min or 214:40
WTSbasically i set up jack rack (also tried calf) and mixxx and a jack session14:40
HarryHaarenyup - so JACK starts and works in general?14:40
WTSHarryHaaren: it's precisely like in the image shown on the wiki @ 11.3.2 -- except instead of 2in 2out i get 0 & 314:41
WTSor the other way around14:41
HarryHaarenWTS, so Mixxx doesn't have the ports you need?14:42
WTSno, mixx had them14:43
WTSfor some reason my soundcard was being detected wrong by the jack GUI, and only by jack14:43
WTSi will go set it up now  sec14:43
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HarryHaarenWTS, right - so your soundcard has a *physical* limit to the amount of audio channels it can play back - the Intel HDA generally has 2 channels: "stereo".14:46
WTSalso thanks for helping out, wasn't shooting for jack help but if that works finally i am equally elated :D14:46
WTSyeah, however it should detect the herc rmx internal card14:46
HarryHaarenthe beauty of JACK is that you can route Mixxx -> Jack-based FX -> Mixxx -> Soundcard14:46
WTSin my mixer14:46
HarryHaarensure - so the big question is getting JACK setup on the Rmx interface14:47
WTSwhich has 2x2RCA in 2x2RCA out14:47
WTShmmmm... mixxx -> jackFX -> mixxx -> soundcard i had not considered .14:48
WTSi was planning to use some midi-modifying VST shenanigans to send signals to two applications using one device.14:49
HarryHaaren"midi modifying VST henanigans" -> good luck -> won't be helping you there :D14:49
WTSno problem14:49
WTSi can already do that14:49
WTSthat's why i was so pissed i couldn't hook up the sound XD14:49
HarryHaarenin that case - write a blog post about what it is you're doing - i'm interested in why you're doing that :D14:49
WTSi will14:50
WTSi actually did something i never saw anyone else do few yrs ago14:50
HarryHaarenWTS, got the RMX around? Try starting JACK on it and we'll see what we can do14:50
WTSuse aka lpd8 as windows input device14:50
HarryHaarencool - definatly interested in that14:50
WTSand to play games14:50
HarryHaareni've and LPD8 here - play games? What tetris using the squares? XD14:50
WTSoh hahaha not even considered that14:50
WTSno, I used a midi to keystroke mapper to send events to explorer, firefox, streets of rage remake14:51
WTSbut i could also interject one of several midi loopbacks to involve VSTs14:52
WTSwhich had very simple functions14:52
WTS"receive midi signal X, output midi signal YZ + A to window 1 on screen 214:52
WTSerr14:52
HarryHaarenright - linux is nice for this reason - total configurability!14:53
HarryHaareni have some keystroke macros for multiple things here - just nice n easy14:53
WTSoutput midi signal YZ to midi->keystroke mapper -> then to windows14:53
WTSyeah14:53
WTSi have some ideas about how to leverage the lpd8 as a hud for transcendence14:53
HarryHaarenbut back on topic, what "thing" were you doing musically?14:53
WTSspace roguelike14:53
* HarryHaaren does play games anymore :)14:54
WTShave it respond with lights to low fuel events, etc14:54
WTSi mainly mod it. ;D14:54
WTSyeah14:54
WTSokay i used to do traktor 3, mix psychedelic industrial techno (yes, that's a thing and yes, it's lonely :P)14:54
WTSsmall samsung netbook, herc14:55
* HarryHaaren loves psy ind tech14:55
WTS:O :O14:55
HarryHaarenlol jk :D14:55
WTSdamn14:55
WTShehehe14:55
WTSyou never stop hopingh14:55
HarryHaareni do quite like my infected mushroom and some asterix though14:55
WTSlet me link you to an EP you will hate14:56
HarryHaarenwhat's a psy ind tech band? Your "favorite" ?14:56
HarryHaarensure yeah14:56
* HarryHaaren cues a link to something you're hopefully not familiar with14:56
HarryHaarenDJ-off! :D14:56
WTSyeah i'm game, i like lots of things :D14:56
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WTSoh the site is dead. damn them! youtube follows14:58
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WTS....and someone uploaded the wrong song for A-side and B-side is faulty glitchy mess. no vocals then for us today15:01
WTShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VppApETZ4GM15:02
LAbot`Title: Trimada - Black Soul - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)15:02
WTShere you go15:02
* HarryHaaren pauses liquid-dnb mix, and checks it out15:05
WTSoooh that and neurofunk i like :) :)15:06
WTSthat link is near the extreme end of unfriendly music in my crate, i also play more uplifting psytech breaks and tribal flavors of either15:07
HarryHaarenthis is pretty ok - i used to be in a (varied) metal band, so distortion doesn't bother me, the sound design always feels so "raw" and unfinished in these genres IMO though..15:07
HarryHaarenright - more refined sound-design in general i guess15:08
WTS:D15:08
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WTSi like the raw edged distortion. also vocals when used in the right places :D15:09
HarryHaarensome folks I know released this recently - i love the sound-design - https://kamizdat.bandcamp.com/track/arcologies15:09
LAbot`Title: Arcologies | KAMIZDAT (at kamizdat.bandcamp.com)15:09
HarryHaarensure - distortion is "interest" to the ear. metal-listeners generally hear melody through the "interest" (distortion)15:09
WTS!!! i am alwats open to recommendations. love love love new sounds15:09
HarryHaarenwhile people not familiar with metal hear "noise" without the melody15:10
HarryHaarenthat track builds slowly, but checkout the album if you like it https://kamizdat.bandcamp.com/album/arp-33915:10
LAbot`Title: ARP 339 | KAMIZDAT (at kamizdat.bandcamp.com)15:10
WTSwell, there's of course also the classically inspired riffage of power metal etc15:10
WTSbut yeah totes agree15:11
WTSthat's how i got into metal actually15:11
HarryHaarenright - Children of Bodom used to be a favorite of mine, due to classical influence15:11
HarryHaarenclassical?15:11
WTSno, the textures in the noise spaced me out as much as banging dance music (back then i dj'd south african style psy)15:12
WTShehe my gf then was a big fan. huge poster in front of the bed on the wall15:12
WTSi had to get used to waking up there15:12
HarryHaarenhahah15:12
HarryHaarenwhich poster?15:13
WTSi'mma google it, sec15:13
HarryHaarendoesn't matter - they all had a big reaper on it :D15:13
WTSyeah15:13
WTSfirst hit on google15:13
WTSboom15:13
WTSdouble scythe15:14
WTSoh wait: http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2015/02/02/608580/832fa500fa78e6e0b80b20f7e86662ac.jpg15:14
WTS:D15:14
WTSit was a metal bedroom. black and dark everywhere. and that thing. red15:14
WTSman i am DIGGING that arp 339 track15:15
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HarryHaarenhah pretty creepy poster yup15:16
HarryHaarenthey're a duo, and they've been doing things for years - i hope this "takes off" to let them work full time on it15:17
WTSthx this is going on the list. i actuaslly started listening to some psy-psy again recently that is somewhat in this vein.15:17
HarryHaarenawesome ideas - and the vocals/text generally have some pretty valid social commentary too15:17
HarryHaareni bought the USB "album" version, i like the idea of supporting artists - but why would I want a CD if I can have the .flac!?15:18
WTSyeah i can see why you like this. there's a lot to enjoy here.15:18
WTShahahahahaha15:18
WTSyeah man15:18
WTSi generally give away the cd15:18
WTSor LP15:18
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WTSknow danny kreutzfeldt/periskop?15:18
WTShe released his latest album for free. and included 39 free bonus albums15:18
WTSo_O15:18
HarryHaarenthis is the same guys as the album I linked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPMRgDpCepI15:19
LAbot`Title: LAC2010 - Linux Sound Night@SJU (5) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)15:19
HarryHaarenbit more "chaos" stuff15:19
WTShehehe you'll have to excuse me while i slurp their bandcamp page ;)15:20
HarryHaarenits tea time here - chat ya in 20 if you're here - try the RMX in the mean time15:20
HarryHaarensure15:20
WTSyeah i will, misplaced my battery for laptop XD. be back in 30!!! enjoy your tea15:20
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falktxit works!15:32
falktxI finally got to experience that serious crash-on-removal bug thanks to mac-os15:33
falktxso at least it's useful for something15:33
falktxhttps://i.imgur.com/jtW2AVc.png :)15:33
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HarryHaarenWTS, back - hows the status15:55
HarryHaarenfalktx, niceone15:55
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WTSgot the asdapter HarryHaaren16:01
WTShooking it up now16:01
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WTSHarryHaaren: booting16:11
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WTSHarryHaaren: I think i got d/c'd from IRC, but here I am again all ready and booted and geared up :D16:18
HarryHaarenWTS, try starting jack - QJackCtl -setup window - check the optiosn16:21
WTSvia command line i take it?16:23
HarryHaarennah QJackCtl is fine16:24
HarryHaarensee this if you're not familiar with it - just pay attention to the QJackCtl parts www.libremusicproduction.com/articles/demystifying-jack-–-beginners-guide-getting-started-jack16:24
WTShmmmmm .... it seems i gave up so hard on jack that i uninstalled all related software from the dj box last year.16:26
WTShehe that link16:26
WTSvery fresh16:27
WTS15-216:27
WTSHarryHaaren: i'm taking a timeout to read the link, and download qjackctl again! very enlightening post on that site16:28
WTSbe back shortly!!16:28
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WTSHarryHaaren: okay internet is being terribly slow atm. however. i have another box with qjackctl and mixx and several more related packages already installed. i propose we try that route?16:40
WTSit's already up and running16:40
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HarryHaarenWTS, hey - sorry was outside helping unload some building-stuff17:10
HarryHaarensure try the other box all the same to me17:10
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WTSgot company, bbiab !!!!17:26
HarryHaarengrand - laters17:26
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WTSsoooo..... new juicy KX is out i see. i also see there are debian and arch flavors out there. nice.19:54
falktxarch?19:55
WTSand i see studio 13.37 offered for free on linuxquestions. :O19:55
falktxno19:55
falktxstudio13.37 is kind of a sham/spam/etc19:55
WTSi see arch has some kx apps in repo -- but not the full thing then?19:56
falktxdepends on what you consider the full thing19:57
falktxkxstudio has a distro is retired19:57
falktxI only make the ISO because users ask for it19:57
falktxotherwise kxstudio would be just apps + repos (which is better in my opinion)19:58
WTSokay, yeah makes sense20:00
WTSlast time i used it i went gnome ubuntu 13.10 -> meta pack from repo20:01
WTSalso got ubuntu stusio at that time20:01
WTSanything changed in that regard?20:01
falktxwhat?20:02
WTSwell, i had all kinds of weirdness back then but >_> <_< it wasn't just me installing so many apps from repo of all types..gnome ubuntu is suck20:03
falktxyou only install what you want20:05
WTSlooking back... i got QT, gtk2+, gtk3+, kde, wine, XFCE versions of many programs.... yeah that will run smoothly20:05
WTSyeah20:05
WTSit was my own silly fault20:05
WTSkx made me want to try kde actually20:06
WTSwhich i will do this week20:06
WTSseeinmg those apps side by side was educational so thanks ;)20:07
WTSi hope this time i will break my streak and get jack up20:07
WTSanyhowm i'll be off at the wiki to prevent annoying questions bbl ;D20:09
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