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| falktx | did all the smart tests, all passed ok, no errors | 02:33 |
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| distrozapper | falktx: Good morning! Heya, HDDs without errors are a piece of luck :) | 06:21 |
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| distrozapper | falktx, I would watch the spinup time and reallocated sector entries though. | 06:25 |
| falktx | distrozapper: I don't think the disk has bad sectors, I don't remember having corrupt files | 06:33 |
| falktx | working with code git would tell me if any of my files changes (most of what I do is coding) | 06:33 |
| falktx | distrozapper: last year the hdd is behaving similarly. it failed when it was too cold, just not as much | 06:34 |
| falktx | is/was | 06:34 |
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| distrozapper | falktx: Ah so it was really cold in your room and spinup time exceeded due to "frozen bearings". | 06:56 |
| falktx | frozen bearings? | 06:59 |
| distrozapper | well the hdd's ball bearings (if there are) dont like low temperatures at startup. | 07:00 |
| distrozapper | Was it really about 0° C in the room? | 07:02 |
| falktx | close | 07:06 |
| distrozapper | Another devilish thing: The hdd's firmware won't let you notice bad sectors and corrupt files, as long as it has enough spare sectors. Just one day your | 07:06 |
| distrozapper | BIOS wont let you boot due to SMART saying "too much bad sectors" | 07:07 |
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| falktx | heh | 07:16 |
| falktx | === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === | 07:16 |
| falktx | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! | 07:16 |
| falktx | Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. | 07:16 |
| distrozapper | damn | 07:16 |
| falktx | I'll take the ps3 disk for the laptop. it's a 12gb ssd. small but enough for the laptop | 07:24 |
| falktx | then I'll have to get a new one later on | 07:24 |
| distrozapper | falktx, you are sure the ps3 ssd is usable for PC? | 07:25 |
| falktx | I don't see why not | 07:25 |
| distrozapper | well, you can try for sure. | 07:26 |
| distrozapper | I dont know about ps3 hardware, but an xbox's hdd wont do for PC due to special firmware. | 07:27 |
| falktx | hmm | 07:27 |
| falktx | ah shit, the ssd is internal | 07:29 |
| falktx | errrm | 07:35 |
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| falktx | at least kontakt seems to work fine now | 08:09 |
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| falktx | oh danboid comes to irc | 12:03 |
| danboid | falktx: Happy New Year Mr F! :D | 12:04 |
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| danboid | falktx: I hope you had a good xmas etc? | 12:05 |
| falktx | the usual. sleeping :) | 12:06 |
| danboid | and coding/packaging too, no doubt | 12:06 |
| falktx | yes | 12:06 |
| falktx | my family doesn't do holidays | 12:06 |
| falktx | danboid: how are you? I haven't seen you around in a while | 12:07 |
| danboid | That sounds about right - now we know why you're unstoppable! | 12:07 |
| danboid | I was on holiday nearly all of December | 12:08 |
| danboid | First I went to Brazil for a couple of weeks, then I visited my parents for xmas and I went to Glastonbury for new years | 12:08 |
| danboid | I went in to work twice last month :) | 12:09 |
| danboid | My Brazil trip was ruined as I got real bad sunburn on my feet on the 5th day so I couldn't walk for the last week of my trip | 12:10 |
| danboid | Gringo Scarr :) | 12:10 |
| danboid | Since I got back I've mainly bee testing the Linux score editors and messing with soundfonts | 12:11 |
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| danboid | It would be nice to see polyphone in the kx repos | 12:12 |
| danboid | Which seems to be the best sf2 and sfz tool for Linux | 12:12 |
| danboid | editor | 12:13 |
| danboid | I realise its not a popular thing to do so its hardly a big pririty but its better than swami | 12:13 |
| falktx | polyphone? | 12:14 |
| falktx | .g polyphone linux | 12:14 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://polyphone.fr/ | 12:14 |
| LAbot | Title: Polyphone (at polyphone.fr) | 12:14 |
| danboid | thelonius: Yep, thats the one | 12:14 |
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| danboid | I use that to extract wavs from sf2s and converting sfzs to sf2s | 12:15 |
| falktx | nice | 12:15 |
| falktx | I'll see if I can add it later on | 12:16 |
| danboid | Thanks falktx! | 12:16 |
| danboid | I've only had a quick play with the Uhe plugns so I'm itching to use them more | 12:17 |
| danboid | Are they working under Carla now? | 12:17 |
| danboid | None of the ones I tried worked although I'm sure at least Diva is supposed to work under Carla. They work OK under Tracktion | 12:18 |
| falktx | I always had them working | 12:19 |
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| danboid | falktx: Good. I'll have to update and try again I supose | 12:23 |
| danboid | falktx: Have you tried any of the GUI package managers for Arch / pacman? | 12:24 |
| danboid | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_GUI_Frontends | 12:25 |
| LAbot | Title: Pacman GUI Frontends - ArchWiki (at wiki.archlinux.org) | 12:25 |
| danboid | Appset sounds cool | 12:25 |
| danboid | I've only ever used pacman itself until today | 12:26 |
| danboid | but I'd like to know the best GUI tool too | 12:26 |
| danboid | I'll be back shortly | 12:27 |
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| falktx | hmm, I think I found the ringbuffer issue | 12:47 |
| falktx | some of them | 12:48 |
| falktx | bbl | 12:57 |
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| alex-EU | afternoon. | 13:08 |
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| alex-EU | thelonius: tell falktx i've updated carla. i've tested loading K plugin(s) into the rack, and using just my midi keyboard i can "play" the instruments fine, with no errors appearing in the cli. I can also connect ports out of reaper, and los, and that seems ok as well. As soon as i touch jack transport, i get the error: CarlaRingBuffer::tryRead(0000000000efe4b8, 4): failed, not enough space. So it seems jack transport does something to overflow the buffer. | 13:51 |
| thelonius | alex-EU: I'll pass that on when falktx is around. | 13:51 |
| alex-EU | Is it possible both apps send some sort of "reset midi" messages when transport is started that floods the buffer? (just a guess, i don't really know) | 13:51 |
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| alex-EU | thelonius: tell falktx i'm using midi port thru to connect and communicate between apps, so he can test with the same. | 13:54 |
| thelonius | alex-EU: I'll pass that on when falktx is around. | 13:54 |
| alex-EU | thelonius: tell falktx my jack1 cli looks like this: jackd -P89 -Z -t9000 -p2048 -M8192 -dalsa -dhw:HDSPMx31e889 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -Xseq. The -M option is the midi buffer size, so it's certainly large enough for the amount of midi i stream through it. I don't know if this info will help. | 14:02 |
| thelonius | alex-EU: I'll pass that on when falktx is around. | 14:02 |
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| alex-EU | thelonius: tell falktx i have just updated again (from repo), and almost same result with ringbuffer error. This time i managed to write a few notes of midi, and play them without errors, and i was able to stop jack transport ok. When i reset the cursor to 0, in both reaper and los, the ringbuffer error starts streaming past again. | 14:31 |
| thelonius | alex-EU: I'll pass that on when falktx is around. | 14:31 |
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| alex-EU | thelonius: tell falktx i've just updated carla-bridge-win64 again. (I do this as they appear with apt-get update) So far, so good. Jack transport works ok now with no errors. (1 K plugin in the rack so far, with 15GB of libs loaded) And i'm testing this in both reaper and los. | 15:34 |
| thelonius | alex-EU: I'll pass that on when falktx is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost. | 15:34 |
| alex-EU | thelonius: be nice. | 15:34 |
| HarryHaaren | :) | 15:34 |
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| benoitc | i am trying to configure my external audio card to record sound on it | 15:42 |
| benoitc | is there any easy way to setup it when it's plugged so i can still use the internal sound card to listen the results? | 15:42 |
| holstein | benoitc: not really.. not with that particular hardware | 15:43 |
| holstein | there will be latency | 15:43 |
| benoitc | i was able to do that on ubuntu using alsa_out and redirecting to pulseaudio but how to do it onthe kxstudio distribution ? | 15:43 |
| holstein | what i do, and what most "prosumer" cards do is, provide a pass-through.. an analog monitor of what is in the input | 15:44 |
| benoitc | holstein, latency ? | 15:44 |
| holstein | correct | 15:44 |
| holstein | but, you can pass that through, easily, in the same tools you were using in ubuntu | 15:44 |
| holstein | you can use qjackctl.. the same | 15:44 |
| benoitc | not sure what you mean there | 15:44 |
| benoitc | right now i need to change the card in cadence | 15:44 |
| benoitc | where i would like to do all recording and monitoring on the external car but still have the internal audio setup | 15:45 |
| benoitc | i am trying to setup it for a not so technical guy | 15:45 |
| holstein | benoitc: use the tool you used in ubuntu | 15:46 |
| holstein | dtcrshr: likely just qjackctl | 15:46 |
| holstein | dtcrshr: sorry ^ | 15:46 |
| holstein | benoitc: likely just qjackctl... | 15:46 |
| holstein | benoitc: i dont use, or suggest using 2 audio devices with jack.. but, you can | 15:46 |
| holstein | .g ardour multible interfaces jack | 15:46 |
| thelonius | holstein: http://manual.ardour.org/setting-up-your-system/using_more_than_one_audio_device/ | 15:46 |
| holstein | a few different ways, AFAIK | 15:47 |
| holstein | though, likely what you were doing was running jack on one and pulse on the other.. | 15:47 |
| benoitc | ok thanks | 15:47 |
| benoitc | that just i am pretty sure he will give up if I am not providing a simple way to do that... | 15:47 |
| benoitc | thanks for the info anyway | 15:48 |
| holstein | benoitc: he? | 15:48 |
| holstein | benoitc: regardless.. i say "he" should just use what is working.. ubuntu can have the kxstudio sources added.. | 15:49 |
| benoitc | right | 15:49 |
| benoitc | yeah "he" i am doing some setup for my brother | 15:50 |
| benoitc | and was expecting to have a more simple way to switch from one card to the other at least :) | 15:50 |
| holstein | cool.. set him up on what he already knows how to use, then | 15:50 |
| holstein | benoitc: the main issue with that, with a new user, or someone not willing to tinker, is.. the labels for the alsa devices change | 15:51 |
| benoitc | right | 15:51 |
| holstein | for me, i dont want the internal audio device.. i just disable that.. but, as you will read, it is suggeted not to use 2 devices with jack | 15:51 |
| holstein | not at the same time.. | 15:51 |
| holstein | but, you can.. | 15:51 |
| benoitc | ok | 15:51 |
| benoitc | trying it | 15:51 |
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| alex-EU | thelonius: tell falktx things are improving. http://imgur.com/EQFjloW | 18:50 |
| thelonius | alex-EU: I'll pass that on when falktx is around. I'll have to use a pastebin, though, so your message may get lost. | 18:50 |
| LAbot | Title: snapshot3.png - Imgur (at imgur.com) | 18:50 |
| alex-EU | thelonius: Stop whining. | 18:50 |
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| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: so hows tricks? back from vacation now, and nothing has changed. the sky is grey and it rains and is cold. work colleagues have been recalled early from vacation to work this weekend, but thank god they left me alone :) | 19:43 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Keep your head down, and the phone switched off. :) | 19:52 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Still plugging along... | 19:52 |
| JackWinter_ | yeah, thought occured to :) | 19:52 |
| JackWinter_ | any solutions/workarounds appearing? | 19:53 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Piles of snow here, on top of a solid layer of ice. Had to put all 4 snow chains on the 4 wheel drive to go shopping today. :) | 19:53 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Yep, i think there's progress. | 19:54 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I've been testing for a while today. http://imgur.com/EQFjloW | 19:55 |
| LAbot | Title: snapshot3.png - Imgur (at imgur.com) | 19:55 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: that looks impressive as always.. kontakt still crashing? | 19:58 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Not yet. | 20:07 |
| falktx | hey alex-EU. can you try the latest carla updates? | 20:08 |
| thelonius | falktx: 13:51Z <alex-EU> tell falktx i've updated carla. i've tested loading K plugin(s) into the rack, and using just my midi keyboard i can "play" the instruments fine, with no errors appearing in the cli. I can also connect ports out of reaper, and los, and that seems ok as well. As soon as i touch jack transport, i get the error: CarlaRingBuffer::tryRead(0000000000efe4b8, 4): failed, not enough space. So it seems jack transpo | 20:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Which is impressive in itself. Have a look at that pic. | 20:08 |
| thelonius | falktx: 13:54Z <alex-EU> tell falktx i'm using midi port thru to connect and communicate between apps, so he can test with the same. | 20:08 |
| thelonius | falktx: 14:02Z <alex-EU> tell falktx my jack1 cli looks like this: jackd -P89 -Z -t9000 -p2048 -M8192 -dalsa -dhw:HDSPMx31e889 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -Xseq. The -M option is the midi buffer size, so it's certainly large enough for the amount of midi i stream through it. I don't know if this info will help. | 20:08 |
| thelonius | falktx: 14:31Z <alex-EU> tell falktx i have just updated again (from repo), and almost same result with ringbuffer error. This time i managed to write a few notes of midi, and play them without errors, and i was able to stop jack transport ok. When i reset the cursor to 0, in both reaper and los, the ringbuffer error starts streaming past again. | 20:08 |
| thelonius | [Sorry, some messages were elided and lost...] | 20:08 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ignore all that. :) | 20:08 |
| alex-EU | falktx: progressive testing through the day. | 20:08 |
| falktx | I know what was happening | 20:09 |
| alex-EU | falktx: http://imgur.com/EQFjloW | 20:09 |
| LAbot | Title: snapshot3.png - Imgur (at imgur.com) | 20:09 |
| alex-EU | falktx: what was it? | 20:09 |
| falktx | when the transport started rolling it sent all-notes-off events | 20:09 |
| falktx | this was broken in the code, I forgot a "break" | 20:09 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i wrote that somehwere earlier. Stream of midi events. | 20:10 |
| alex-EU | falktx: good to know you found it. | 20:10 |
| falktx | so how is it working now? | 20:10 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok so far. | 20:10 |
| falktx | awesome, that's great news :) | 20:10 |
| alex-EU | falktx: got a question. Is each plugin instance a "unique" process? | 20:10 |
| falktx | alex-EU: and xrun-wise? | 20:11 |
| falktx | yes | 20:11 |
| alex-EU | falktx: had a few, but i have been trying all sorts of things. | 20:11 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I'm hacking up a bit of a template in los at the moment, when i've done that i'll take it for a ride and see what happens. | 20:12 |
| falktx | ok, keep me posted | 20:13 |
| alex-EU | falktx: and thanks for your efforts. Felt a bit more optimistic today testing all this. | 20:13 |
| falktx | I need to get renaming of plugins in multi-client mode working again | 20:13 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I guess you know this already, but trying to save a carla project crashes and burns. | 20:13 |
| falktx | oh, I didn't know | 20:14 |
| alex-EU | falktx: Oh ok. Yes, the full trip to hades. Bits left hanging in htop, etc..... | 20:15 |
| falktx | does it freeze? or really crash/segfault? | 20:15 |
| alex-EU | falktx: have to manually go through and kill off all those nasty little wine files. :) | 20:15 |
| alex-EU | falktx: crash. | 20:15 |
| falktx | the wine stuff should auto-close in a few seconds if the main carla stops | 20:16 |
| alex-EU | falktx: try it yourself. You're a K user now. :) | 20:16 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: JackWinter_: http://imgur.com/xvIEIGh | 20:19 |
| LAbot | Title: snapshot3.png - Imgur (at imgur.com) | 20:19 |
| alex-EU | falktx: there's a lot of bridges running there. | 20:20 |
| falktx | 1 for each plugin | 20:20 |
| alex-EU | falktx: that's my point. :) | 20:20 |
| alex-EU | falktx: so far so good. | 20:20 |
| falktx | in here the plugin-bridges auto-close sucessfully | 20:22 |
| alex-EU | falktx: When carla saves a project, does it go through and resave the state of each plugin instance as part of the process? | 20:22 |
| falktx | I just ran carla with 1 K instance, then used "killall -9 carla" | 20:22 |
| falktx | the K instance auto-closed a few seconds later, this message printed in the terminal: | 20:23 |
| falktx | "Did not receive ping message from server for a long time, closing..." | 20:23 |
| falktx | alex-EU: yes | 20:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: hmmm, ok. Will try saving this big project again. | 20:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: A couple of these plugins take a long time to load, ergo, save. | 20:24 |
| falktx | yeah, I can see how that can become an issue | 20:24 |
| falktx | the plugins are expecting constant "pings" from the main carla. if one of them locks up then carla won't send the pings | 20:25 |
| alex-EU | falktx: right. My strings K plugin instance takes the longest, around 20-30 seconds. (It uses 15-16GB of "K" ram) | 20:26 |
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| falktx | hmm | 20:27 |
| falktx | I guess I'll have to do it in other ways. I have some ideas | 20:27 |
| falktx | I can tell all the plugins to prepare for saving first, while not waiting for it | 20:27 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: Getting a serious stream of "Testing bridge has closed" and the ringbuffer not enough space errors. | 20:28 |
| falktx | then go to each one at a time | 20:28 |
| falktx | yep, that what would happen | 20:28 |
| alex-EU | falktx: whatever works? | 20:28 |
| falktx | alex-EU: I haven't coded what happens when the bridge closes | 20:28 |
| falktx | it's not supposed to happen in the first place ;) | 20:30 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i had to kill it. http://pastebin.com/ZjkjeSE4 | 20:31 |
| falktx | hmm I see a quick solution for this | 20:34 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: keep pushing, not much ram used :) | 20:36 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: hehe, indeed. | 20:36 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: i browsed online for server boards a couple of days ago. 4 processors, and 1024GB of ram is going to cost me a bit.......:) | 20:37 |
| JackWinter_ | i can believe that, but i guess you don't really need that yet... | 20:38 |
| JackWinter_ | and will probably buy you other travails :) | 20:38 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Not if i don't purchase anymore sample libs. :) | 20:38 |
| JackWinter_ | did you make a bug report for your wine allocation prob? | 20:39 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Not yet. | 20:39 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: maybe a good idea to do, though no way to know if any wine dev has a 64gb machine, but i guess they'll have a few. maybe also smart to give them instructions on how to dl some kontakt and how to recreate the problem | 20:41 |
| JackWinter_ | hmm, dinner, bbl | 20:41 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Seems to a general lack of interest on the part of the devs for wine64bit, and this use case. Not sure if it's worth the time and effort. | 20:41 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Maybe later on. | 20:42 |
| alex-EU | falktx: by the way, your patchbay plugins work a treat for organising connections. I routed all those K instances outputs to a simple 2 in and 2 out, and then to system playback ports 1 and 2. | 20:46 |
| alex-EU | falktx: when i can save carla projects safely, it'll save a lot of time and effort. | 20:47 |
| alex-EU | falktx: just tried opening the project again, even though it crashed, and most of it seems to be up except the big strings K plugin instance. I'm going to try breaking it up into multiple instances, and see if that changes anything. | 20:54 |
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| falktx | if a plugin bridge crashes carla will use the last saved data | 20:54 |
| falktx | when you re-save that is | 20:54 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok. | 20:56 |
| alex-EU | falktx: still crashes even with that instance removed. | 20:56 |
| * alex-EU is off for a cup of tea..... | 20:57 | |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: i don't think you can draw a reference on the interest of the wine project from what goes on in irc... they have their methods that they follow, which normally involves reporting bugs, writing tests, etc. that there is an irc channel at all is nearly suprising (imo)... | 21:09 |
| JackWinter_ | i'd imagine that it would probably be pretty easy to fix a bug in allocating more than 32gb in a wine process and that they'd probably would put a quite high priority on it. but of course i can't speak for them at all as i'm not a codeweavers employee | 21:11 |
| JackWinter_ | i just know that showing up in irc and asking about it, is not the right way to go about getting attention... | 21:12 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: And the post in the forum explaining the problem with a trace attached. | 21:13 |
| * falktx pushes a new carla update. to be available soon | 21:13 | |
| JackWinter_ | would probably help if you were a paying osx customer and even more if you were a company wanting to make your software run in wine :) | 21:13 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: indeed. :) | 21:13 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: don't know if i've seen that one | 21:13 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, thanks. | 21:13 |
| alex-EU | falktx: on the bright side, if you fix this stuff so it's working for me, human users should have no problems at all. :) | 21:21 |
| falktx | I like the progress so far | 21:22 |
| alex-EU | falktx: los was working ok, with a load of plugins in carla, once transport started working. | 21:22 |
| alex-EU | falktx: there's hope there too. | 21:23 |
| alex-EU | :) | 21:23 |
| falktx | I wish I had all the time in the world... | 21:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i wish i had the resources to pay you full time. Sadly not at the moment. | 21:23 |
| alex-EU | falktx: Then you could build a hot audio recording app, and a carla mixer as well. :) | 21:24 |
| falktx | if that was the case I could probably hire people to help | 21:26 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: have a link to that wine forum post? | 21:33 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23951 | 21:34 |
| LAbot | Title: WineHQ Forums View topic - wine 64bit ram limits. (at forum.winehq.org) | 21:34 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: and my ulimit setting is already unlimited, and has been for a long time. It was the same advice i got in irc winehackers. | 21:35 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: i think you ought to follow up on that and not just drop it. if you don't persist most likely nothing will come of it.. | 21:36 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: not quite sure if oiaohm is a dev or just a normal user though | 21:37 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: actually another question, could it be that you are running out of file handles? maybe the error msg is a red herring? :) | 21:43 |
| falktx | instaling kxstudio-default-settings takes care of that | 21:44 |
| falktx | $ cat /etc/etc/security/limits.d/kxstudio.conf | 21:44 |
| falktx | # Allow to open many files, needed for wine-rt | 21:44 |
| falktx | * hard nofile 65536 | 21:44 |
| JackWinter_ | iirc there is also a sysctl that could need setting, but was just a stupid idea :) | 21:48 |
| alex-EU | falktx: already have that in limits.conf | 21:49 |
| falktx | try increasing it to double | 21:49 |
| falktx | and reboot | 21:49 |
| alex-EU | falktx: will do. | 21:49 |
| falktx | but if K is loading that many files... ouch | 21:50 |
| alex-EU | falktx: my current no file settings are hard=200000 soft 180000 :) | 21:51 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i forgot i'd increased them already. | 21:51 |
| falktx | ok then, well, no ideas | 21:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: updated carla, and made a quick small 5 K instance project, which when i saved it gave me: http://pastebin.com/AX3Nu2AF | 21:54 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: did you run the wine tests? maybe they already have some allocation test | 21:54 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: not yet. | 21:54 |
| JackWinter_ | ok, i'll let you be on your way then :) | 21:54 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: :) | 21:55 |
| alex-EU | falktx: is there some sort of conf file that i need to purge for this to work? (just guessing here) | 21:55 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: From what i could see when i looked, the winetest suite is for 32bit wine. I didn't go further after that. | 21:56 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: And given the usual response is "make a new pristine puren than driven snow 32bit prefix, and test in that" i lost a bit of interest, i confess. | 21:57 |
| JackWinter_ | hmm, i think you'd need to build 64b wine and run it from the 64b build dir | 21:57 |
| JackWinter_ | have no idea if it has any allocation tests though, but many (most) parts of wine have tests to compare how wine acts in comparison to windows itself. | 21:58 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Being unable to update K doesn't help me foster a wealth of enthusiasm for wine. I went through that forum fairly carefully trying to find answers from previous users, and I didn't come away with the impression wine devs are that enthusiastic about wine64bit. Quite the contrary. | 22:00 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Not entirely their fault. I went through a lot of time and effort testing in linux, and at least 3 of those projects turned out less than well, with devs being remarkably indifferent to the time and testing that went in to improve their app further. Call me cynical i guess. | 22:02 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Life goes on. :) | 22:02 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: well you do what you want :) but it seems to me reading that thread on the forum that you haven't followed up and probably can't expect any action from their side. | 22:03 |
| JackWinter_ | hope you find some kind of solution that allows you to do your work though! | 22:03 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: yep, you're probably right. | 22:04 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I hope so too. | 22:04 |
| alex-EU | falktx: any clues? | 22:05 |
| JackWinter_ | even though i don't develop much, i've often run into the problem of a user complaining on a forum, then being asked to provide some information and never following up. make you lose interest quickly as a dev if you can't immediately see what's wrong | 22:06 |
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| distrozapper | oops sorry | 22:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: That's true, but i've also poured hours, weeks, months, and the last ten years contributing to linux. There have been quite a few times i'm met indifference, arrogance, entitlement, and "RTFM" from devs, who automatically assume that as they can code, all others are complete idiots in terms of design, workflow input, tutorials, manuals, etc... | 22:11 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I hear you, and i may go back and follow up on the wine issue, but when i have time and inclination. With 16GB of ram to work with, as is written in that forum reply, the devs won't exactly be chafing at the bit to add another 48GB of ram, and test it for themselves, will they. | 22:14 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I realise from this latest excursion, that once again i'll be smacking my head on a brick wall, trying to foster some enthusiasm in those who see my use case as.......unappealing, when weighed against much more interesting wine evolution for the greater masses. | 22:16 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: And with the notable exception of a few, that's been the case in linuxaudio as well. Any more than 40 ports, and it's the twilight zone....... :) | 22:17 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter_: And yet, here i am, plugging away again to try and give one of the good guys a chance, by testing, reporting back testing again, etc... | 22:18 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I think you were right the first time. For my use case, linuxaudio simply doesn't work, and i've been stupid enough to try and fit a square peg in a round hole for many years. | 22:20 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: yeah, i can see that too! | 22:21 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: So much for altruism, eh? :) | 22:21 |
| falktx | alex-EU: sorry no ideas. I'll try to make carla rinbuffer issues auto-solve itself (reset) when errors happen | 22:21 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, and thanks for trying. | 22:22 |
| JackWinter_ | but it seems kinda self defeating to run into a problem and just give up :) not saying that you do that, you've been very persistent over the years! but in this case with the memory allocation problem, i sincerely think you'd have to do a bit more before writing the devs off based on previous experience based on other devs.. | 22:22 |
| JackWinter_ | but i can tell you to forget irc for wine, that's not going to lead to more than a handful of suggestions | 22:24 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: yep, i understood the futility of wine irc quickly. | 22:24 |
| JackWinter_ | it's simply not the way they work at all | 22:25 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: ok, i loaded 1 small K instance, saved as, and captured the cli output before it started streaming errors... http://pastebin.com/c897rUQR | 22:28 |
| alex-EU | falktx: will this help? | 22:28 |
| falktx | yes | 22:29 |
| falktx | "Did not receive ping message from server for a long time, closing..." | 22:29 |
| falktx | carla didn't send ping on time | 22:29 |
| alex-EU | falktx: the stream of errors is: TESTING: Bridge has closed! | 22:29 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I killed it. | 22:30 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: another q, did you ever try to load more than 32gb of samples in a single stand alone kontakt instance? not to see if it can run, just to see if it can load the samples, or is that simply not possible? | 22:30 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I tried didn't work. | 22:31 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: same problem? | 22:31 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Yep. | 22:32 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Average was 29-30GB before crashing, which tells me wine is trying to keep a couple of GB for itself, out of a total of 32GB. | 22:33 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: However 2 prefixes (still a good idea) got me past that. | 22:33 |
| alex-EU | falktx: can i open 2 instances of carla, pointing to 2 separate wine prefixes? (related to the same thing jack and i are discussing) | 22:34 |
| falktx | no | 22:35 |
| JackWinter_ | could be. maybe some variable in a structure is simply the wrong size and you run into a bug | 22:35 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ok, i won't try that then. :) | 22:35 |
| JackWinter_ | wish i knew more about wine's innards to be honest, but have plenty of other irons to heat and unfortunately a day job too :( | 22:36 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: So do i, hence my thinking about the best road for the future. | 22:36 |
| falktx | well, I have to be honest here, relying on wine is dangerous | 22:37 |
| falktx | even if this worked out nicely, nothing says it would keep working | 22:37 |
| alex-EU | falktx: a conclusion i'm fast coming to as well. | 22:37 |
| JackWinter_ | with the time i have, i really ought to start working on a program to organize the work at my daytime job, because they are so disorganized that it is starting to go on my nerves and fuck up my private life :( | 22:37 |
| alex-EU | falktx: If this works, i'm unlikely to upgrade for a year or two. :) | 22:38 |
| falktx | carla still needs more work to handle this nicely. because a lot of stuff can go wrong I have to antecipate all bad things | 22:38 |
| JackWinter_ | alex-EU: i too, tend to think that windows is probably the best solution for you. but no guarantee that you won't run into horrible problems there too, but one would imagine that someone in NI has tried to run big sample sets in win64 | 22:39 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yep, and thanks for doing as much as you have. | 22:39 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: It's defintely more likely for Win. | 22:40 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: or course. | 22:40 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: of\ | 22:40 |
| alex-EU | crap... | 22:40 |
| alex-EU | :) | 22:41 |
| JackWinter_ | but like i said, i don't think you are fair towards the wine devs to write them off if you don't follow up hard with documentation of your problem. hit the forum thread, open a bug, etc | 22:41 |
| falktx | alex-EU: I think the best solution is a dual-boot. use windows for work but keep an eye out for linux things | 22:41 |
| falktx | in a few days I'll have more stuff for you to test :) | 22:42 |
| falktx | slowly we'll get there | 22:42 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I have 3 boxes here. I can convert the big studio box to win, and mess around with linux on the 32bit admin box. Linux is good for the admin at least. | 22:42 |
| JackWinter_ | for reaper to run perfectly for me, i'd probably have to rewrite the wineserver to be multithreaded, but that's a daunting task that i don't think i'll undertake. on the other hand if i don't do so, it's highly unlikely that i'll ever be fixed as they have far more pressing problems... | 22:43 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yep, ok. Petr, my computer chap isn't back until the 16th, so i can give you time until then at least. Let's see what happens. | 22:43 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Then you're better off running Reaper in Win? :) | 22:43 |
| JackWinter_ | nope, i don't need perfectly xrun free reaper. i can multitrack record at high latency with no fx (or record in windows) and then mix in reaper/wine. it works more than well enough for what i do, which of cause also makes it less appetizing to dig into the problem :) | 22:45 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Naturally. :) | 22:46 |
| JackWinter_ | ok, i'm gonna go hit my kindle now, am kinda tired after the traveling, will keep an eye on that winehq forum thread though :) | 22:47 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: Ciao. :) | 22:47 |
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| JackWinter_ | i might try to write a report up for NI though, on the recent upgrade problems i've encountered. not that i use any of their stuff unless i'm just playing around, but maybe i can get an upgrade out of it, and it's always nice to get free software :) | 22:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: of course, but don't hold your breath. NI have been anti-linux since they first drew breath. | 22:49 |
| JackWinter_ | i actually really owe them that much after they gave me nfr for komplete 8 | 22:50 |
| JackWinter_ | a nfr | 22:50 |
| JackWinter_ | yeah, but the anti linux stance is slowly changing in the world. look at steam and many game companies | 22:51 |
| falktx | well, NI would say to update to latest version first | 22:51 |
| falktx | which we can't do with wine | 22:51 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I was around doing this stuff before NI existed, and i remember well their antipathy towards linux, and in a more general sense, users. | 22:51 |
| falktx | wine doesn't handle vc2013 (the compiler + dlls) yet | 22:51 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I wrote them quite a few polite letters over the years, and never got a reply. | 22:51 |
| JackWinter_ | in many ways 2014 really was a year for the linux desktop, and i suppose that 2015 might be even more so | 22:52 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: As well as Steinberg, Creamware, Logic Studio, etc.. | 22:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yep, it doesn't. | 22:52 |
| JackWinter_ | ironic that we'll finally get around to doing it right, when people desert the desktop for their ipad/iphones ;) | 22:53 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I tried installing it, moving dlls, etc, and no dice. | 22:53 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: I'll never desert the desktop. Much easier to use than a small device, and 2 oversize thumbs... :) | 22:53 |
| JackWinter_ | for sure, i think the desktop will stay around, and i guess i also for see windows becoming freeware or open source at some point in the not too distant future | 22:54 |
| JackWinter_ | but we'll see. gnight gents! | 22:55 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter_: G'night. | 22:55 |
| JackWinter_ | ps, 2 weeks of running cyclictest on this machine clocked in a max kernel scheduling of 32 usecs :) | 22:57 |
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| falktx | alex-EU: btw, how did you increase the midi-through ports? | 23:21 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i created a file in /etc/modprobe.d called 99-snd-seq-dummy.conf | 23:51 |
| alex-EU | options snd-seq-dummy ports=8 | 23:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: That's the line in the file | 23:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: you decide the number of ports. | 23:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: reboot. | 23:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: :) | 23:52 |
| falktx | but I see you have 16 | 23:53 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: It was JackWinter's idea. | 23:53 |
| alex-EU | falktx: yes, i tried various numbers of ports. | 23:53 |
| alex-EU | falktx: i just gave 8 as an example. | 23:53 |
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| falktx | ok, thanks for the info | 23:54 |
| falktx | I think I'll add ports=16 to the kxstudio configs | 23:54 |
| falktx | I've had some users asking about this before, I just never knew how to do it | 23:54 |
| alex-EU | falktx: seems so simple now....... | 23:55 |
| falktx | it's always like this in linux :) | 23:56 |
| alex-EU | falktx: took a lot of time and effort to get there. | 23:56 |
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| alex-EU | falktx: you'll probably be the first to officially document it. :) | 23:57 |
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