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| falktx | the new plugin-bridges work much faster than the old ones :) | 04:45 |
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| falktx | screw OSC!! | 05:01 |
| falktx | this works so much better | 05:02 |
| falktx | now let's see if it applies to win32 vsts as well... | 05:22 |
| distrozapper | falktx, what are you working on atm? | 05:29 |
| falktx | carla plugin-bridges | 05:29 |
| falktx | I started a rework some time ago, now I'm almost finished | 05:30 |
| falktx | initial testing shows things working much faster | 05:31 |
| falktx | no more hangs when removing plugins, waiting for them to report they're ok | 05:32 |
| falktx | or when adding a plugin with lots of parameters | 05:32 |
| falktx | carla2-beta4 will come when this is completed plus a few other fixes | 05:35 |
| distrozapper | falktx, This sounds great. Indeed some plugins tend to hang/delay carla when added/removed | 05:36 |
| falktx | distrozapper: this is specific to plugin bridges though | 05:36 |
| falktx | some plugins (like distrho) take a while to load at first because juce is scanning all the fonts | 05:37 |
| falktx | I know of a thing that might block/xrun a little when removing plugins. I'll try it soon | 05:39 |
| falktx | try to fix it, that is | 05:41 |
| distrozapper | falktx, just trying to get how things work: How is OSC involved in plugin bridges/what role does it play? | 05:44 |
| falktx | it was | 05:44 |
| falktx | I was using osc to communicate between carla and plugin bridges | 05:44 |
| distrozapper | you just replaced it? heh | 05:44 |
| falktx | now it uses a shared memory ring buffer | 05:44 |
| distrozapper | hm, for sure this is a more direct and faster exchange link | 05:46 |
| falktx | I though about using pipes, but I already had some ring buffers in place so I went with it | 05:46 |
| falktx | plus I couldn't make the pipes work via Windows API... | 05:46 |
| distrozapper | thanks for the look inside :) Another tile in my "puzzle of audio wizardry" ;) | 05:50 |
| falktx | fl studio vst finally works again, but damn it hangs like crazy | 06:04 |
| falktx | opening a project inside FLS makes the audio stop running, wtf | 06:04 |
| falktx | heh, plugin UIs are now so big they don't fit in my screen :( | 06:06 |
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| stratojaune | hi, did the repositories from Kxstudio contain dependencies to build Ardour3 ? | 08:29 |
| falktx | they do, but there's no "apt-get build-dep" for it | 08:36 |
| falktx | maybe on 14.04 it works, not sure | 08:36 |
| falktx | the kxstudio builds come directly from ardour.org. they are not built by me | 08:37 |
| stratojaune | thanks for your answer | 08:39 |
| stratojaune | the goal is to build @home to add a more complete french translation | 08:39 |
| stratojaune | when you say there's no apt-get build-dep, what do you meant ? | 08:40 |
| stratojaune | oh, I have it ! | 08:42 |
| stratojaune | one have to install ardour deps one by one, that's it ? | 08:42 |
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| falktx | sudo apt-get build-dep ardour3 | 08:44 |
| falktx | or any package really. it installs the build-deps | 08:44 |
| falktx | but since the kxstudio repo package doesn't really have "source" this doesn't apply | 08:45 |
| stratojaune | I have source repos in etc/apt/sources.list | 08:45 |
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| stratojaune | it was not actived, is it a mess to ? | 08:47 |
| falktx | to build ardour3? if you never compiled stuff before it will get messy | 08:54 |
| falktx | ardour3 has nightly builds now | 08:54 |
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| falktx | https://community.ardour.org/node/8548 | 08:55 |
| stratojaune | no problem to compile, do that since years | 08:57 |
| stratojaune | nightbuild, hum... I like when plugins save their state... | 08:58 |
| stratojaune | goal is not to test, but to build...music :) | 08:59 |
| stratojaune | question is about the "source" repos in KXStudio : is it ok to active they in sources.list ??? | 09:00 |
| stratojaune | will be back in 10 minutes | 09:00 |
| falktx | yes, it's ok | 09:01 |
| stratojaune | thanks ! | 09:32 |
| stratojaune | will you say that it's a good idea *from a brand new Debian Jessie* to delete Gnome & PA & their "friends", and to take KXStudio-desktop from your repos ? | 09:35 |
| stratojaune | Is it based on Kde ? | 09:35 |
| falktx | you won't gain anything new | 09:45 |
| falktx | just get the kxstudio-default-settings package, it's the one that matters | 09:46 |
| falktx | the desktop one is just what I use for the ISO, the default apps and stuff | 09:46 |
| stratojaune | ok, I notice that | 09:48 |
| stratojaune | it's Gnome friendly ?? | 09:50 |
| stratojaune | Forget last question about Gnome, the Gnome on Jessie is not itself Gnome-friendly !! | 09:58 |
| stratojaune | Think I will go to OpenBox, do you think kxstudio-default-settings package will be running over it ? | 09:59 |
| falktx | it works fine everywhere | 10:03 |
| falktx | anyway, laters. cya | 10:03 |
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| stratojaune | OOPS ! close Firefox by error ! | 10:08 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: ping | 12:14 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: hiya, back for more punishment? B) | 12:17 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: hehe | 12:20 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: i may have found a solution for more alsa midi ports. | 12:20 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I've been l;ooking at virmidi, which doesn't work. (tech reasons i don't fully understand) | 12:21 |
| JackWinter | ooh, that's cool (for you at the least) | 12:21 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: The module snd-seq-dummy can take a definition of port numbers. | 12:21 |
| JackWinter | really wish i had 64gb of ram so that i could try to troubleshoot your wine problem | 12:21 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: so in /etc/modules add a line something like snd-seq-dummy ports=4 | 12:22 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: This works in my ubuntu 32bit admin box. | 12:22 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: But i can't get it working in my debian studio box. | 12:23 |
| alex-EU | 64bit | 12:23 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I was wondering if you could try this on your machine, and see what happens. | 12:23 |
| JackWinter | neh, bugs everyehere | 12:23 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: ? | 12:23 |
| JackWinter | will try | 12:24 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: thanks | 12:25 |
| JackWinter | i was just saying, that everytime one tries to do something new, it seems like there is a bug in ones way | 12:25 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: lots of bugs. | 12:25 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: My computer chap is on holidays at the moment, so i'll keep trying up to a moment of decision time. | 12:26 |
| JackWinter | i just did: sudo modprobe snd_seq_dummy ports=4 | 12:26 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: ok | 12:26 |
| JackWinter | it appears to have worked without complaints, what am i looking for? | 12:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Do you have 4 midi thru ports? | 12:27 |
| JackWinter | how do i see that? | 12:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: alsa | 12:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: qjackctl | 12:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: in the alsa tab. | 12:27 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: you may have to reboot or init restart alsa | 12:28 |
| JackWinter | i have no midi ports at all and no alsa tab... | 12:28 |
| JackWinter | ok, i'll try to reboot and see what happens | 12:28 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: you normally have 1 midi thru port? | 12:30 |
| JackWinter | i don't know, thought so, since i have the babyface connected. but i'm really not sure | 12:31 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: you'll need to add that line to /etc/modules for it to load at boot time | 12:31 |
| HarryHaaren | alex-EU, i tried it, but not change in ALSA tab yet: how do I restart ALSA / alsa-midi using systemd? | 12:32 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: no idea, sorry. | 12:33 |
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| HarryHaaren | me neither :D | 12:33 |
| * HarryHaaren has googled, but to no avail yet. | 12:33 | |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: You're much cleverer than i with linux. :) | 12:33 |
| HarryHaaren | hmm. tried modprobe -r snd_seq_midi and bringin it back in, didn't work. I guess we'll see when JackWinter is back from his reboot | 12:34 |
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| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: it's the snd-seq-dummy module. | 12:35 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: what does lsmod say? | 12:37 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: Do you have all the snd-seq modules show up? | 12:38 |
| HarryHaaren | yep | 12:38 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: ok. | 12:38 |
| HarryHaaren | i tried p=16, dunno if that makes any difference | 12:39 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: I can't figure out why it works with 32bit ubuntu, and not 64bit debian. (lack of user skills and knowledge most likely) | 12:39 |
| HarryHaaren | hmm.. modinfo has the "ports" param, so it should just work | 12:40 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: it loaded here, after enabling snd_seq in setup :) i do indeed have 4 loopback ports | 12:40 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: If we can get this working, at least other users will have options when using wine/linux, or for that matter any alsa apps. (and those ports can be use in a2jmidid for example) | 12:40 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: 64bit Arch? | 12:41 |
| HarryHaaren | yep. Nice one JW | 12:41 |
| JackWinter | yes | 12:41 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Can you try with something like 16 ports? | 12:41 |
| JackWinter | ok | 12:42 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: At least i know it works 64bit. I can try and track down the problem in debian. | 12:42 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: HarryHaaren: Thanks for testing, young padawans...... :) | 12:43 |
| HarryHaaren | you're welcome, not that I was of any use :D | 12:43 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: I did that many times testing in ten years. It often threw up new clues. | 12:43 |
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| HarryHaaren | sure. Is there any particular reason you're thinking of moving to another platform now as opposed to a few months ago? did things change, or just (still) not a good workflow? | 12:45 |
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| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: It's the admin, and i'm aware of my unique use case. Combination of Wine mem limits, midi porting problems, Kontakt not updating because of missing libs and structure, etc.. | 12:46 |
| HarryHaaren | fair enough. I can see how that becomes more and more annoying over time. | 12:46 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: I have a good time using Reaper, but i'd rather load K into something like Carla, and use LOS as a daw. | 12:47 |
| JackWinter | rmmod and modprobe snd_seq_dymmy ports=16 just gave me 4, but editing modprobe.conf and rebooting got me 16 midi ports | 12:47 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: If the K instances are stable, and i can route midi in and audio out, without it falling over, then i'm close to settled. | 12:48 |
| JackWinter | can you use those midiports in wine though? | 12:48 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Good clue. I'll have a look at modprobe.conf. | 12:48 |
| JackWinter | want me to go for broke and try 256 or 1024? :) | 12:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: They show up in K and reaper. | 12:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: on my 32bit box. | 12:49 |
| JackWinter | not sure how the loading of modules works anymore to be honest | 12:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: and they do work. | 12:49 |
| HarryHaaren | good luck! | 12:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: me neither. This systemd stuff is bewildering | 12:50 |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: thanks | 12:50 |
| alex-EU | bbiab | 12:50 |
| JackWinter | i used to know more or less how my system worked, now after several years of systemd i have much less of a clue :S | 12:56 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I have no modprobe.conf. Which directory di you find it in? modprobe.d? | 12:57 |
| JackWinter | this varies from system to system. /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf on my system | 12:57 |
| JackWinter | think it used to be /etc/modprobe.conf until systemd changed it :) | 12:57 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: ok, i'll go look in duckduckgo | 12:58 |
| JackWinter | add "options snd-seq-dummy ports=16" to a file ending in .conf there | 12:59 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: yep. | 12:59 |
| JackWinter | maybe 99-snd-seq-dummy.conf | 12:59 |
| JackWinter | to keep it like the systemd crowd would approve of :) | 12:59 |
| JackWinter | as an act of rebellion i just moved my modprobe.conf from /etc to /etc/modprobe.d without renaming it or splitting it up into several files :) | 13:00 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: aaah Jack "Che" Winter. | 13:01 |
| JackWinter | yeah :) | 13:01 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: All you need now is a beret, ak47, and a lot of weed. | 13:02 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: back in aminute. | 13:02 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: That worked. | 13:04 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Thanks. | 13:04 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Now i can test them all.\ | 13:05 |
| JackWinter | yeah, and some capitalist swines to shoot, too bad that there are no free market capitalists around any more. | 13:07 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: cool, that sounds like it might be your solution! no reaper but kontakt with your favorite linux sequencer | 13:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Hehe. | 13:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: We'll see how testing goes. | 13:09 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: but another step forward for all. Other users might be able to benefit from this. A lack of alsa midi ports has been a lont term challenge. | 13:09 |
| JackWinter | still superrich, but nowdays all a planned economy (and of course stacked in their favor) | 13:09 |
| JackWinter | i had no idea that there was a snd-seq-dummy around, nor what it did | 13:10 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Before i bought this house, i entertained the idea of buying a small island somewhere, and living removed from society. No infrastructure was the problem, but i understand why people do it. | 13:11 |
| JackWinter | me too, and turn off the news as it just makes one sick to the stomach for no good reason | 13:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Yep. | 13:11 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: question. Can wineasio be run standalone? | 13:38 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: forget that. I've just realized how stupid that question is. :) | 14:09 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: :) | 14:10 |
| JackWinter | and i figured out yesterday that the wineasio packaging on archlinux was insanely bad. i took over the package from someone else, and i didn't check it. as it compiled i just uploaded it to the repo about a year or a year and a half ago. i686 was completely broken... | 14:12 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I was readoing through that big thread in the reaper forum last night, and i found references to the days when wineasio managed midi as well. | 14:13 |
| JackWinter | that is the 2nd time that i get a package from someone or the AUR and put something in the repo that is completely borked. in the future i will rewrite all packages myself and check them before uploading. i'll never again trust the packaging of someone else and then take responsibility for it | 14:14 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: in the wineasiocfg, you could set the number of midi ins and outs as well as audio. | 14:14 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: it never has | 14:14 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: then drumfix was joking with me. :) | 14:15 |
| JackWinter | have a link to the post? or he was just misinformed | 14:15 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: i could never get it working, and i often wondered why. | 14:15 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: there were hundreds of posts, i'd be searching for a while. | 14:15 |
| JackWinter | i actually don't even know what a wineasiocfg is? | 14:16 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's not an issue. | 14:16 |
| JackWinter | ok, forget it then | 14:16 |
| JackWinter | wineasio only has reg entries, and some envvars to override settings | 14:16 |
| JackWinter | it's documented in the wineasio README | 14:16 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Yep. | 14:17 |
| JackWinter | but maybe there was something like that before i rewrote it, but if so it has completely slipped my mind, though i'm sure it never did midi | 14:17 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I have a feeling wineasio went through quite a few changes over the years. | 14:17 |
| JackWinter | yeah, but steinberg never put midi into it... imo a big failure. they just created asio so they could implement low lat audio i spite of the crappy windows audio stack. too bad they didn't put midi in it too, then you wouldn't have had the problem, except the limited midi ports in reaper | 14:19 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wineasio/ | 14:20 |
| LAbot | Title: wineasio | SourceForge.net (at sourceforge.net) | 14:20 |
| JackWinter | how did it work out with the midithrough ports and many instances of kontakt? get all your samples loaded? | 14:20 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: true. If asio had midi as well, timestamped to audio, we'd be singing a different tune. | 14:20 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: ports 1-3 work so far. | 14:20 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: in the sourceforge changelog, it shows an entry where the old config file was removed, and reg entries were set up for number of ports. | 14:23 |
| JackWinter | ah, ok . then it's my beginning alterheimers :) | 14:24 |
| JackWinter | must have been me removing it | 14:24 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: hehe, thermometer outside the front door tells me it's -16C. | 14:35 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Good thing i got plenty of wood in for the fires yesterday. | 14:35 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: fire up the daws and let the cpus warm your feet :) | 14:39 |
| JackWinter | we have sun and plus 10C or so here in the spanish mountain foothills | 14:40 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: Daws are fired up, i'm routing 128 channels of audio at the moment. :) | 14:42 |
| JackWinter | hey, slowly getting there! | 14:45 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: 128 that's just about a philharmonic orc, right? or chamber in stareo? | 14:48 |
| JackWinter | stereo | 14:48 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Orchestra. | 14:49 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: it's 2 K 64 channel instances (standalone in seperate prefixes) | 14:50 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I'm routing them to single channel in non-mixer for the moment, just so i can test it all. | 14:51 |
| JackWinter | hah, that's cool! | 14:51 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: then i have to find a more permanent mixer-recording solution with mutiple channels, busses, etc. | 14:51 |
| JackWinter | reaper :) or maybe use ardour, i suppose for recording the outputs it's good | 15:01 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: i'm kinda ignorant of what's around for recording mixing audio on linux | 15:01 |
| * JackWinter is gonna go lay down and read while hoping that the hangover goes away. went out with all the cousins/etc of the family yesterday. 5 hours in the resturant and then more drinking afterwards. haven't had a hangover like this for years. must have overdone it yesterday, not that i noticed until waking up this morning :) | 15:04 | |
| HarryHaaren | alex-EU, +1 for screenshots :D | 15:19 |
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| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: they crashed. sigh......... | 16:44 |
| HarryHaaren | awh :/ | 16:46 |
| * HarryHaaren away for a while, helping people with smartphones. Equally fun as crashing software i'd say.. | 16:46 | |
| alex-EU | HarryHaaren: You've got it worse than me. Good luck. :) | 16:47 |
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| JackWinter | alex-EU: what the K instances crashed? | 17:17 |
| JackWinter | i just had to assemble a LED light fixture as i had put it off and need it for reading now, doubt that anything can be worst than that. hangover also didn't help, but now i can go back to horizontal :) | 17:18 |
| JackWinter | even has a usb port to power your kindle from :) | 17:19 |
| JackWinter | what will they think of next | 17:19 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: K crashed. Same errors as before. | 17:29 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: The usb port's a good idea, imho. I'm thinking of fitting one to the toilet...... | 17:40 |
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| JackWinter | alex-EU: what errors? out of memory? | 18:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Sorry, no. The critical section errors. | 18:25 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: There's been so many......... :) | 18:25 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's ok, nothing that we can fix. | 18:25 |
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| JackWinter | alex-EU: hmm, i guess that is something that can be solved by the winedevs if it's not a problem of kontakt itself | 18:50 |
| JackWinter | it's good that they use critical sections, as they translate to futexes on linux and are supposedly very fast | 18:51 |
| JackWinter | but i must admit that i don't think i've seen something like that using wine, so maybe it is indeed in K | 18:52 |
| JackWinter | how long can you run before it blows up? | 18:52 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: The time varies. | 19:17 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I've opened reaper with 1 track, and added 64 of the audio channels from the vst host i'm using, Live Professor. An easy way to route stuff. :) | 19:19 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Now the next prefix with LP, and loaded VSTs, and another track in reaper. :) | 19:19 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I'm trying LOS for the midi. It's hard to let it go, as i designed the midi workflow, and it feels comfortable. Needs a lot fo work going forward, but the fundamentals are already there. | 19:22 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: All the dummy midi ports work. | 20:35 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: Funny how that worked out. | 20:35 |
| JackWinter | indeed :) | 21:05 |
| JackWinter | alex-EU: how many? | 21:05 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: 16 | 21:08 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I'm just trying them with a heavier load. The occasional glitch as a lot of midi is going at once, but alsamid isn't jack mid, so i won't expect too much. | 21:09 |
| JackWinter | that's not many :) | 21:09 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: It's a start. I don't know how alsa handles the bandwidth, so i'm proceeding carefully. | 21:10 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: A couple of days, and i may be up to 256..... :) | 21:11 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I can hear the midi wobble a bit in places. | 21:15 |
| JackWinter | looking forwards to it :) | 21:15 |
| JackWinter | but i suspect that you'll run into problems trying to take it to the limit in windows too, ime bugs always surface in all OS's when you start pushing...:) | 21:16 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: That's true, and certainly my experience. | 21:17 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: When i had 5 gig boxes and a daw box all running windows, it was a bloody mess regularly. | 21:18 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: I remembered today trying this with Wine some years ago, when we had alsa and jack drivers. I don't remember the midi being as fragile as this. I could be wrong though. With my setup i do push it a bit. | 21:19 |
| alex-EU | JackWinter: http://imgur.com/ir1aj1H | 21:43 |
| LAbot | Title: snapshot3.png - Imgur (at imgur.com) | 21:43 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: Hehe, just nailed the chap in reaper who attempted to shut me up about virtual midi ports in reaper. He asked for the same thing sometime in 2010. :) | 22:11 |
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