| JackWinter | falktx: hiya, hope you had a good xmas! | 00:09 |
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| JackWinter | alex asked me a bit theatrically to say good bye to you, think he was really fed up with linux and was seriously contemplating to go back to reaper/kontakt in windows. | 00:10 |
| JackWinter | he was fscked with either getting more than 32gb of samples loaded in wine, or trying to get jack midi working somehow. | 00:11 |
| JackWinter | hopefully he'll enjoy some hollidays and be back for more linux audio punishment :) | 00:11 |
| JackWinter | to bad to come so close to the goal and still not get there :S | 00:12 |
| JackWinter | too | 00:12 |
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| falktx | hm just read that | 05:17 |
| falktx | that is sad | 05:17 |
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| Linnak | Hi, after I installed everything I need when I reboot, after the KXStudio logo with processbar there is just a black screen. What happened? | 08:04 |
| falktx | some package got uninstalled? | 08:07 |
| falktx | make sure kxstudio-desktop is still installed | 08:07 |
| Linnak | I have the newest version | 08:10 |
| Linnak | There is no choice on boot to reach this: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/842 | 08:13 |
| LAbot | Title: Fixing the black screen after grub boot-up (screen/video settings mismatch) - Linux Mint Community (at community.linuxmint.com) | 08:13 |
| Linnak | How can I get into this menu? | 08:13 |
| Linnak | Anyway the system doesn't run in Virtualbox nor from LiveUSB | 08:14 |
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| Linnak | I have never seen this kind of OS. IT's impossible to change anything in boot | 08:19 |
| Linnak | Why can't I have any option? | 08:19 |
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| weetard | just stumbled in here, never used linux for production, any benefits kxstudio over ubuntustudio? | 14:43 |
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| johmue | Hi ... | 19:40 |
| johmue | Anybody here for a quick question on cadence? | 19:40 |
| holstein | sure.. | 19:41 |
| johmue | Can I install hook scripts that are called before or after the start of jackd? | 19:42 |
| johmue | like in qjackctl | 19:42 |
| johmue | I have a shell script that sets up a somewhat complicated setting of a pulseaudio bridge. | 19:42 |
| holstein | you can likely just use the same thigns | 19:43 |
| holstein | jackd is still running | 19:43 |
| johmue | I just want them to be started automaticly when candence is launching jackd | 19:44 |
| holstein | whatever you have will work the same | 19:44 |
| johmue | Yes, I can start it by hand and it works. | 19:45 |
| holstein | sure.. so use the script you have | 19:45 |
| johmue | But can I install a hook in cadence so that everything is started automatically? | 19:45 |
| holstein | why? | 19:45 |
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| holstein | i mean, *sure*.. just script the whole thing.. | 19:45 |
| johmue | And then start the script by hand from the command line. | 19:46 |
| holstein | or, make a button, or whatever you like.. one that does the entire process | 19:46 |
| johmue | That's a solution, sure, but it is hard to explain to someone not used to CLI | 19:47 |
| holstein | johmue: so, theres more to it, then? | 19:47 |
| holstein | johmue: i mean, this is for someone else, then? | 19:47 |
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| johmue | So cadence does not have such kind of a hook. | 19:47 |
| johmue | Ok, that was my question. Thanks. | 19:47 |
| holstein | you can always send them whatever yo umake.. you can pacakge it up in a deb if you want | 19:47 |
| holstein | even if it does, its still not "easy" like that | 19:48 |
| holstein | doesnt simplify it any | 19:48 |
| holstein | falktx would know about the hook | 19:48 |
| holstein | otherwise, you can try #opensourcemusicians | 19:48 |
| weetard | i use reason, im not smart enough 4 linux | 19:50 |
| holstein | reason is actually not an operating system, or kernel | 19:51 |
| weetard | i use reason under windowz doh | 19:51 |
| holstein | id say, you are plently smart, just likely mis-informed | 19:51 |
| holstein | i used to use windows.. if you like it, and it works for you, great | 19:51 |
| weetard | I wanted to start out with ardour but I wasnt going to fumble around forever figuring it out, no courses online, so stuck with windows | 19:51 |
| weetard | morally I would prefer linux | 19:52 |
| weetard | lol | 19:52 |
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| holstein | *all* of linux and ardour, and JACK.. all the tools.. they are all open | 19:53 |
| falktx | there's no post-script "hook" or similar in cadence | 19:53 |
| weetard | I was ubuntu gnome then switch to windows because of Reason and Traktor, same with Mixxx for dj software, sure I could figure it out, I want courses though | 19:53 |
| holstein | lots of "course" and information | 19:53 |
| falktx | sorry | 19:53 |
| falktx | weetard: sorry to ask, but why is this relevant? | 19:54 |
| weetard | its not | 19:54 |
| falktx | ok | 19:54 |
| holstein | you can use many live iso's these days | 19:54 |
| weetard | sorry mess up your idling | 19:54 |
| holstein | i mean, if you want to discuss, relevantly, and constructively, how i switched from windows/cubase | 19:54 |
| holstein | is it worth it? it was to me.. its just, linux, your hardware, me, falktx .. we dont/cant care about your morals | 19:55 |
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| holstein | it has to just be this simple.. you prefer the tools | 19:55 |
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| holstein | i prefer the tools.. i actually feel like someone bought me a *much* better studio.. and all i did was migrate to linux and some different tools | 19:55 |
| falktx | people coming to linux and then using reaper, bitwig or similar can't really speak much about morals | 19:56 |
| holstein | but, it was a slow process.. a team of professionals were hired to make sure my audio interface worked in windows.. and that all my other hardware worked, and had drivers.. when i switch to linux, i take that responsibility on, since, no such promises, or support was provided | 19:56 |
| weetard | I am making a point, if people want newbs to use linux or open source for audio then theres got to be courses, youtube videos, in detail, hell even lmms doesnt work out the box in windows, know how many zillions people look into linux and open source when getting into producing and turn away? lots | 19:56 |
| falktx | .g linux music production | 19:56 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://libremusicproduction.com/articles/advantages-choosing-audio-orientated-linux-distribution | 19:56 |
| LAbot | Title: The Advantages of Choosing an Audio Orientated Linux Distribution | Libre Music Production (at libremusicproduction.com) | 19:57 |
| holstein | what did i do? first, broke it down. i *didnt* try to A install and use an operating system i dont know, and B. try and immediately do high level production work | 19:57 |
| holstein | weetard: there are *many* such videos | 19:57 |
| weetard | okay | 19:57 |
| holstein | weetard: there is no "lmms", though.. dont you see? | 19:57 |
| holstein | weetard: there is not lmms company that gets paid to make sure that the system works for you | 19:57 |
| holstein | there is just this.. you and me, and falktx .. and other community members | 19:58 |
| johmue | I am giving a talk on Podcasting on Linux. | 19:58 |
| weetard | but people put work into developing and nobody uses the software because cant figure it out | 19:58 |
| holstein | johmue: cool.. i did a few proaudio LUG presentations | 19:58 |
| weetard | simple | 19:58 |
| holstein | weetard: sure.. but *i* use the software | 19:58 |
| johmue | and I'd like to show people candence and all the other c*s | 19:58 |
| holstein | weetard: and if you would like to be constructive, im open for a discussion about how i learned | 19:58 |
| falktx | weetard: you're comparing big companies to hobby developers | 19:58 |
| weetard | so a handful of nerds, if thats your goal, thats where linux audio is at | 19:59 |
| weetard | no i am not | 19:59 |
| holstein | weetard: there is no "goal".. just the community | 19:59 |
| weetard | I am, your getting defensive and not listening to a thing I am saying | 19:59 |
| falktx | if you want to compare reaper to something in linux, compare it to bitwig or renoise | 19:59 |
| weetard | lol | 19:59 |
| holstein | weetard: all the tools are open.. if you want to sell them, ofr support them, you can | 19:59 |
| johmue | Someone asked me how to bridge more than one stereo signal from pulsaudio into the jack world. | 19:59 |
| falktx | both renoise and bitwig have considerable documentation, videos, and all that stuff | 19:59 |
| holstein | weetard: im far from defensive.. im stating facts.. i literally dont care if you dont like linux. or the tool.. this is just the facts | 19:59 |
| weetard | missing point still | 19:59 |
| johmue | There is a solution using module-remap-sink but it requires some lines of shell scripts. | 20:00 |
| holstein | weetard: you are referring to me, as " a few nerds" and im ok with that.. but, *you* are missing the point | 20:00 |
| holstein | weetard: there is no "linux" selling you an experience | 20:00 |
| weetard | I get what your saying | 20:00 |
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| holstein | weetard: there are just community members.. supporting | 20:00 |
| weetard | i know | 20:00 |
| weetard | ive used linux for yrs | 20:00 |
| falktx | you can't compare reaper to qtractor | 20:00 |
| weetard | used mostly open source software for everyday stuff | 20:00 |
| weetard | i get how it works | 20:00 |
| holstein | weetard: regardless.. i broke it down, becuase, when i was using windows, i didnt start using windows and cubase on the same day | 20:00 |
| falktx | BUT you can compare the single-dev free windows apps to qtractor | 20:01 |
| holstein | weetard: i really dont think you do, if you think "only a few nerds" are using the tools | 20:01 |
| weetard | okay not 100% the case i know | 20:01 |
| holstein | weetard: i do production work with these tools | 20:01 |
| holstein | weetard: and im more than happy to discuss how i do that | 20:01 |
| weetard | but vast majority dont, and they HAVE looked into it, mostly lack of educational material for a true newb | 20:02 |
| holstein | or, if you have support questions about jack or ardour.. or using the software. etc.. | 20:02 |
| holstein | weetard: ok | 20:02 |
| falktx | weetard: look for educational stuff for renoise and bitwig | 20:02 |
| falktx | it's there | 20:02 |
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| falktx | .g renoise user manual | 20:02 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://tutorials.renoise.com/ | 20:02 |
| LAbot | Title: Renoise User Manual (at tutorials.renoise.com) | 20:02 |
| falktx | .g renoise youtube channel | 20:02 |
| thelonius | falktx: http://www.youtube.com/user/LearnRenoise | 20:02 |
| LAbot | Title: Renoise - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) | 20:02 |
| holstein | weetard: *here* is why that doesnt work.. most hardware is not officially supporting linux, so, there is not "official documenation for using *all* hardware" in linux | 20:02 |
| holstein | weetard: there are *many* videos.. but, getting hardware to do what it is not intended to do is a hack, and takes time | 20:03 |
| holstein | jack is the big barrier, and the best tool, at the same time | 20:03 |
| holstein | if you dont need it, dont use it.. but, we *all* get how complicated it is.. but, its all open | 20:03 |
| holstein | if presonus, or maudio, or *anyone* wants, they can get *all* of linux, and jack, and alsa ,and support it.. "out of the box".. flawlessly | 20:04 |
| holstein | why do they not? $$ | 20:04 |
| holstein | as more folks use and support linux, more of the tools support it | 20:04 |
| weetard | all I am saying, I think open source is great, i think its important, its good for freedom, open source is going into all sorts of other directions, open source news, open source electronics, open source designs, all good for FREEdOM, so I am making a constructive point to the lack of educational materials for linux audio production, for open source daws, we WANT people to use these... | 20:04 |
| johmue | falktx: do you know if cadence has a start hook to call shell scripts after the start of jackd? | 20:04 |
| falktx | johmue: it does not sorry | 20:05 |
| holstein | weetard: opensource doenst care if you think its great.. its just a tool.. with a different model than what you are used to | 20:05 |
| johmue | falktx: thanks. | 20:05 |
| falktx | weetard: but that's where people like you come in | 20:05 |
| falktx | weetard: I'm a developer and do what I can. non-devs can do documentation and videos :) | 20:05 |
| holstein | weetard: all you have to do is simply google, and *tons* of materials come up | 20:05 |
| weetard | I feel so welcome to try and learn and ask questions then become a master of using ardour and writting a book on it or working with groove3 or askvideo.com.... NOT | 20:06 |
| falktx | zth is usually online here. he's the one that started the libremusicproduction.com site | 20:06 |
| falktx | weetard: then you can't complain much | 20:06 |
| falktx | you're not paying anything here | 20:06 |
| holstein | weetard: you are welcome, and i invite you to.. but, you must understand, you havfe already stated that i am a nerd, and that i literally dont exist ;) | 20:06 |
| holstein | weetard: if you want to talk about using jack with your hardware, id welcome that | 20:06 |
| weetard | but I get it, some dont care about what open source does for society as a whole, they just write code | 20:07 |
| holstein | i *use* these tools | 20:07 |
| falktx | I do care, but there's only much I can do | 20:07 |
| holstein | opensource is just that.. open source | 20:07 |
| falktx | non-devs need to come and do non-dev stuff | 20:07 |
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| falktx | develpers usually hate doing documentation... | 20:07 |
| holstein | it either works for you, or not.. use it if you want.. whats more important is supporting what you want/need | 20:07 |
| holstein | spending time, making the videos, for example | 20:07 |
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| falktx | weetard: for example, would you buy kxstudio ISO/box for $200 if it had educational material? | 20:08 |
| weetard | really in depth, yes | 20:08 |
| holstein | i /join ed #ubuntustudio and asked the same question ever 48 hours for 4 weeks.. i thought "wth is up with this community?".. then, i decided to stay there, logged in 24/7, and answer everyone i can the best i can | 20:08 |
| falktx | someone with money to invest could perhaps bet on this... | 20:08 |
| holstein | *anyone* can have all of that. and sell it | 20:09 |
| holstein | support it.. | 20:09 |
| weetard | idk, brb pee lol | 20:09 |
| falktx | ie, do lots of internal docs and sell it in a box | 20:09 |
| holstein | yup | 20:09 |
| holstein | and, welcome to do that.. | 20:09 |
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| holstein | weetard: *you* can do that | 20:09 |
| falktx | I welcome anyone that is willing to do that. | 20:09 |
| falktx | I'll help where I can | 20:09 |
| holstein | falktx: i wish i could clone myself, and make that happen :) | 20:09 |
| falktx | hire some people to write docs and make it pretty. sell the stuff to get the money in returns | 20:10 |
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| holstein | yup,, ideally, hiring you :) | 20:10 |
| falktx | I could be the product manager or something :P | 20:10 |
| holstein | the kxstudio foundation keeps you a salary coming in | 20:11 |
| falktx | the issue is the initial investment | 20:12 |
| * falktx wishes he had rich parents | 20:12 | |
| rgareus | falktx: you can always marry a rich girl :) | 20:13 |
| falktx | with rich parents | 20:13 |
| falktx | rgareus: do you think something like this could actually succeed? | 20:13 |
| falktx | ie, kxstudio in a box + docs + dvd with videos | 20:14 |
| rgareus | falktx: no idea. | 20:15 |
| rgareus | there was a guy selling USB-sticks a few years ago | 20:15 |
| falktx | maybe some merchandise as well. like the usual t-shirts, cups, etc | 20:15 |
| weetard | it may be possible if someone approached groove3 or askvideo.com if they would pay them to do ardour courses or kxstudio as a whole they might bite at the idea, I have askvideo subscription was $200 | 20:15 |
| holstein | weetard: go for it | 20:16 |
| weetard | i dont know how use either | 20:16 |
| weetard | suggestion is all | 20:16 |
| holstein | weetard: literally nothing is stopping you | 20:16 |
| holstein | so far, the kxstudio team is falktx | 20:17 |
| holstein | he gets lots of help with testing, etc... but, he's the dev team | 20:17 |
| falktx | yep, most people don't realize it | 20:17 |
| holstein | there is no "head of documenation" really, to pass that onto | 20:17 |
| falktx | kxstudio is just 1 person => me | 20:18 |
| weetard | hehe | 20:18 |
| holstein | though, im sure we can all agree, its a *great* idea, weetard | 20:18 |
| falktx | I do the repos, custom apps, some plugins, forum support, etc | 20:18 |
| holstein | unless you want to take it on, it wont happen from here | 20:18 |
| rgareus | falktx: http://www.getstudio1337.com/ was the guy - there was a long discussion on LAD/LAU because he does not provide sources. | 20:18 |
| LAbot | Title: Studio 13.37 | super low-latency realtime audio distribution (at www.getstudio1337.com) | 20:18 |
| falktx | rgareus: I know. I hate that guy | 20:18 |
| falktx | rgareus: he told me to go die in a fire twice | 20:18 |
| falktx | :) | 20:19 |
| holstein | falktx: ouch! | 20:19 |
| holstein | falktx: are you making friends again :) | 20:19 |
| weetard | well there just you working on kxstudio, but many working on various aspects of kxstudio indirectly | 20:19 |
| holstein | weetard: no | 20:19 |
| holstein | weetard: there is only falktx working on kxstudio.. period | 20:19 |
| weetard | you wrote all the code for all the programs? | 20:19 |
| holstein | weetard: he can, and doest import tools.. but, most everything is repackaged.. | 20:19 |
| falktx | weetard: most apps are not from me, but I do fix things when I see the need for it | 20:20 |
| falktx | there are patches from me in several apps, and also jack | 20:20 |
| holstein | no one writes 'all the tools" like that.., no need to reinvent the wheel.. but, most everything is touched | 20:20 |
| falktx | microsoft doesn't write all the apps too anyway. vlc, firefox etc etc are not from microsoft | 20:21 |
| falktx | no one can expect a company to write all that... | 20:21 |
| holstein | hell, even the MS stuff like word/office woudl be from a different team | 20:21 |
| falktx | lots of teams and divisions. huge number of people | 20:22 |
| weetard | I was pointing out that he may not want to do my idea that someone else might, I am not a programmer, I dont any to pass that suggestion on... | 20:22 |
| holstein | paid professionals making sure that you know what MS is, and what they do, and that you have either support for what you want, or a pacified to the point of being "happy" with the product | 20:22 |
| holstein | with kxstudio, there is just falktx | 20:22 |
| holstein | weetard: sure, and what i was pointing out, specifically, was, *you* are welcome to do that | 20:23 |
| holstein | no one here will submit anything to those outlets.. but, you are welcome to | 20:24 |
| weetard | lol | 20:24 |
| holstein | if i submit anything, it would be to falktx directly for his site, or the relevant ubuntu wiki's | 20:24 |
| holstein | there is no documentation team here | 20:24 |
| weetard | in otherwords stfu let me idle in peace, lol | 20:25 |
| falktx | weetard: I don't have the power of knowledge to sell kxstudio boxes or merchandise needed to support hiring people to write documentation | 20:25 |
| weetard | peace | 20:25 |
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| falktx | *power or | 20:25 |
| falktx | meh | 20:25 |
| holstein | no.. i literaly meant what i said.. | 20:25 |
| holstein | but, thats probably the "best" outcome.. | 20:25 |
| falktx | these people just like to complain | 20:25 |
| holstein | i just wish there was an announcment for it | 20:26 |
| falktx | hmmm | 20:26 |
| *** falktx sets mode: +b weetard!*@* | 20:26 | |
| holstein | like "i just wish to compain, dont bother intelligently responding" | 20:26 |
| falktx | let him die in peace then | 20:26 |
| holstein | complain* | 20:26 |
| holstein | lol | 20:26 |
| falktx | holstein: sometimes I get a bit excited we're getting a good conversation | 20:26 |
| falktx | then it turns out no one's interested in helping one bit | 20:26 |
| holstein | uyeah | 20:27 |
| holstein | i remember feeling that way, though | 20:27 |
| holstein | when i joined the ubuntustudio channel asking about my firewire interface | 20:27 |
| holstein | but, over the few weeks of asking there, and seeing tumbleweeds, and asking in #opensourcemusicians and meeting folks like yourself, i started to get it | 20:28 |
| holstein | there is no "tech support" like that.. its just already "not supported" ;) | 20:28 |
| holstein | we are already doing whats specifically listed *not* to do on the tin | 20:28 |
| holstein | to be frustrated about it is to just not understand one's responsibility | 20:29 |
| falktx | I think they never read the license ;) | 20:29 |
| holstein | right :) | 20:30 |
| holstein | "whos running this shop?!" | 20:30 |
| falktx | "This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY" | 20:30 |
| holstein | warranty or responsibility.. | 20:30 |
| falktx | actually Windows doesn't have any warranty as well | 20:30 |
| holstein | its like, if you waste days and days of your time trying to make some hardware that states specificaly it does one thing, and you try making it do another thing, thats not covered ;) | 20:31 |
| holstein | falktx: yup.. i like to imagine weetard calling microsoft and saying "reaper is just not well invisoned in the windows ecosystem, i feel you could do more to promote it" ;) | 20:32 |
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| alex-EU | JackWinter: ping | 20:44 |
| falktx | hey alex-EU | 20:47 |
| alex-EU | falktx: evening. | 20:47 |
| falktx | alex-EU: a bird told me that you might be leaving linux... | 20:48 |
| alex-EU | falktx: it's possible. | 20:48 |
| falktx | sorry to hear that... | 20:48 |
| falktx | I'm very close to finishing the carla-bridge rework | 20:49 |
| falktx | but these things move slowly. so much to do | 20:49 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I'm still trying to explore options, but my use case doesn't seem to fit with the linuxaudio ethos. | 20:49 |
| falktx | alex-EU: I wish I could do more | 20:49 |
| * falktx needs to get rich to hire a dev+doc team | 20:50 | |
| falktx | alex-EU: if los was ready and the carla-bridges, would that be enough? | 20:50 |
| alex-EU | falktx: it's ok. I understand your target audience isn't folk like me. You've already got me further in a short time than i have been in a number of years so thanks for that. | 20:50 |
| falktx | what else is missing? | 20:51 |
| alex-EU | falktx: if the bridges work for wine64bit, then that will help. But you've already said that isn't possible. | 20:52 |
| falktx | the bridges are | 20:52 |
| falktx | the jackass thing I don't know how to fix yet | 20:52 |
| falktx | the bridges are *possible* | 20:52 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I'm not putting any pressure on you here. The audience that is more likely to keep you going isn't me. :) | 20:53 |
| alex-EU | falktx: There's one of me, and a shedload of electronica and synth users. | 20:53 |
| falktx | but you're special to me. you're the one that pushes the system to the limits | 20:54 |
| falktx | I'd love to have you around if possible | 20:54 |
| alex-EU | falktx: again, i appreciate all you've done for me. | 20:54 |
| alex-EU | falktx: My computer chap here is on holidays,so i've got a bit of time before decision day. | 20:56 |
| falktx | alex-EU: whatever you decide, will you still be reading on the linux audio news? | 20:58 |
| alex-EU | falktx: and i've already solved one of the problems today | 20:58 |
| falktx | perhaps next year things will be quite better | 20:58 |
| falktx | alex-EU: oh, do tell | 20:58 |
| alex-EU | falktx: probably. | 20:58 |
| alex-EU | falktx: ifound a solution for alsamidi ports in wine, and it's really simple | 20:59 |
| alex-EU | falktx: so i can have more of them | 20:59 |
| falktx | btw, about reaper and kontakt | 20:59 |
| falktx | if carla is the one loading kontakt, you don't need 64bit reaper | 21:00 |
| falktx | ie, if reaper is doing only the midi sequencing there's no special reason for it to be 64bit | 21:00 |
| alex-EU | falktx: I understand what you're saying, but i'm loading VSTs in reaper as well. | 21:01 |
| falktx | yeah, I understand that | 21:01 |
| alex-EU | falktx: To maximize the ram usage across processes. | 21:01 |
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| sfsafaws | i'm intrigued, alex-EU, what sort of a system are you building? | 21:26 |
| alex-EU | sfsafaws: i'm currently using linux on my studio box. With Kontakt running in Wine. | 21:31 |
| sfsafaws | oh, and you get into Wine difficulties? | 21:35 |
| alex-EU | sfsafaws: and midi port difficulties. | 21:35 |
| sfsafaws | yeah i tried running ableton on wine and the whole ports thing made me give up on that pretty quick | 21:37 |
| sfsafaws | alex-EU: kontakt is more than just a sampler plugin, right? it's a stand alone program and host? | 21:39 |
| alex-EU | sfsafaws: standalone and VST sample | 21:46 |
| alex-EU | r | 21:46 |
| sfsafaws | why not run it on windows? | 21:48 |
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| alex-EU | sfsafaws: I may well do that shortly. | 21:50 |
| sfsafaws | did you start on windows, tried to port to linux, and are coming back now? | 21:50 |
| alex-EU | sfsafaws: I started my music career on win,then mac, joined linux (ten years this year). | 22:05 |
| sfsafaws | 10 years making music on linux or total? | 22:13 |
| alex-EU | sfsafaws: 10 years linux. I was making music on computers from win 3.1, amiga, commodore, etc... | 22:24 |
| sfsafaws | what have you been using before kontakt? | 22:26 |
| alex-EU | sfsafaws: Linux sampler in linux, exs in mac, and gigastudio in win. (And before that, akai hardware samplers) | 22:32 |
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| sfsafaws | why switch to a windows program? | 22:33 |
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