Re: [LAU] Writing jingles

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To: Brett McCoy <idragosani@...>
Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 - 6:02 am

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The site that made the claim about superior linux tools is just a random
linux praising blog and it shows off Cinelerra, Kdenlive and OpenShot.
Yeah, it is not very credible.

I did talk to Lightworks users and basically their reply to me is twofold:

1. Lightworks is for professional film and they use hardware that does the
sync, like timecode jamming.
2. You don't need that amount of accuracy.

While I personally cannot agree with the latter statement, I do see the
point made in the first. Indeed, as someone else pointed out, computers
were seen as help, not as standalone tools.

I did not review Cinilerra, btw. It's been a while since I used it. I think
it is pretty difficult to use, I remember doing something with it, but
quickly stopping. I will look at it again.

Additionally, just so that I am not unfair to OpenShot developers (and
maybe even Kdenlive), it uses melt, which is a video editor, afaiu, command
line. And it is this melt that is buggy and crashes all the time. OpenShot
and the like are just GUIs to this. Well, more than just GUIs, but melt is
at the heart of it.

Apparently, OpenShot 2.0 is coming up which will use a different library
and it should be seemingly more stable. I just hope it will work out. I
mean, I have seen stable video editors on Earth, it should be achievable.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Brett McCoy wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Len Ovens wrote:

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The site that made the =
claim about superior linux tools is just a random linux praising blog and i=
t shows off Cinelerra, Kdenlive and OpenShot. Yeah, it is not very credible=
.
I did talk to Lightworks users and basically their reply to me is=
twofold:1. Lightworks is for professional film and they use =
hardware that does the sync, like timecode jamming.2. You don&#39=
;t need that amount of accuracy.
While I personally cannot agree with the latter statement, I do s=
ee the point made in the first. Indeed, as someone else pointed out, comput=
ers were seen as help, not as standalone tools.I did not =
review Cinilerra, btw. It's been a while since I used it. I think it is=
pretty difficult to use, I remember doing something with it, but quickly s=
topping. I will look at it again.
Additionally, just so that I am not unfair to OpenShot developers=
(and maybe even Kdenlive), it uses melt, which is a video editor, afaiu, c=
ommand line. And it is this melt that is buggy and crashes all the time. Op=
enShot and the like are just GUIs to this. Well, more than just GUIs, but m=
elt is at the heart of it.
Apparently, OpenShot 2.0 is coming up which will use a different =
library and it should be seemingly more stable. I just hope it will work ou=
t. I mean, I have seen stable video editors on Earth, it should be achievab=
le.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Brett McCoy <idragosan=
i@gmail.com
> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:31=
PM, Len Ovens <len@ovenwerks.net> wrote:

>> 3. Tried kdenlive, hoping maybe it fixed its problems. What do you=
know -

much for kdenlive
ave
a

I've had the best luck with kdenlive and even produced a training=

video for my wife's company with it (including some basic compositing
and animated mouse pointers, and audio & music recorded and mixed with<=
br>
Ardour). I had better luck building kdenlive from scratch from SVN,
using the latest ffmpeg and other libraries compiled from scratch. It
was certainly more stable than the packaged version and the dev team
even fixed a couple of bugs quickly that I had run into and could
patch into the SVN branch. My biggest gripe about kdenlive is the
reliance on KDE libraries, which makes it inherently resource hungry.
If they stripped it down and just used Qt (like what happened with
Rosegarden), I think it would run more smoothly and not choke on HD
video.

Lightworks I like a lot, I've just started using it, but has a bit of
a learning curve and has some performance issues with the realtime
effects (although they are working on addressing some of these
issues), but for basic video editing, it's fairly stable and
Lightworks has some very nice features for syncing multicamera video
tracks with audio... again, a bit of work getting used to the
Lightworks way of editing, but it's the only affordable commercial
video NLE on Linux. Hopefully when it goes open source it will really
take off.

--
Brett W. McCoy --
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http://www.brettwmccoy.com

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"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it,
it would overturn the world."
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[LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Fri Jun 27, 11:09 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Carlo Ascani, (Thu Jul 3, 8:57 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Carlos sanchiavedraz, (Thu Jul 3, 10:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Nils, (Fri Jun 27, 3:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Sat Jun 28, 1:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Jun 30, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Mon Jun 30, 8:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Philipp , (Mon Jun 30, 9:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Tue Jul 1, 9:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Neil C Smith, (Wed Jul 2, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Raffaele Morelli, (Wed Jul 2, 7:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Len Ovens, (Wed Jul 2, 3:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Brett McCoy, (Wed Jul 2, 3:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Wed Jul 2, 6:02 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Jul 2, 8:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Jul 2, 8:43 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Paul Davis, (Tue Jul 1, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Raffaele Morelli, (Wed Jul 2, 7:44 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Simon Wise, (Fri Jul 4, 8:14 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Raffaele Morelli, (Fri Jul 4, 10:44 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Paul Davis, (Wed Jul 2, 12:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Gianfranco Ceccolini, (Wed Jul 2, 12:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Jul 2, 12:46 am)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Nils, (Sat Jun 28, 1:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Sat Jun 28, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Carlos sanchiavedraz, (Sun Jun 29, 2:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Louigi Verona, (Sun Jun 29, 10:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Writing jingles, Carlos sanchiavedraz, (Mon Jun 30, 1:17 pm)