Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it

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Date: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 - 8:42 am

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 09:25:04AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> I can't agree with this as something good, it's evil, music is alive

Every few weeks on R3 here there is a live transmission of some
opera from the NY Met. Last year we had Verdi's 'La Traviata'.
Usually you can hear the American radio presenter talking over
the final applause. Instead of commenting on the performance (as
do the Italian presenters) she went something like '... and so
the poor girl dies in the arms of her lover bla bla bla bla'.

If this is the way in which the American audience understands
La Traviata then there is some cause for concern.

One level up from the melo would be to say that the opera (and
the novel it is based on) is a denunciation of 19th century
bourgeois moral hypocrisy. This is the interpretation offered
by many of today's directors. Verdi must have had his share of
that, having lived together but unmarried with la Streppina
for some years, something not tolerated in the society of his
time. But is that why he wrote the opera ? I doubt it very much.

The are some very strong emotions in La Traviata, and they are
expressed by the music, but they are certainly not Verdi's,
neither those of the performers. The belong to the characters
portrayed, and those are fiction, repeat fiction. They are
also presented in a context that easily trancends the strictly
personal. It's this that allows the work to have appeal beyond
the level of tearjerking. And of course the music itself.

Ciao,

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[LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sat Mar 29, 3:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Mar 29, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Mar 29, 4:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 9:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Sun Mar 30, 9:45 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Apr 1, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 1:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 7:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Apr 2, 12:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 3:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Will Godfrey, (Mon Mar 31, 6:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:09 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Set Hallström, (Mon Mar 31, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, James Morris, (Mon Mar 31, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 12:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gene Heskett, (Mon Mar 31, 2:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Cannam, (Wed Apr 2, 4:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 4:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 2:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:56 pm)
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Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 3:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 3:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 3:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Egor Sanin, (Mon Mar 31, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Edgar Aichinger, (Tue Apr 1, 3:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 5:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 4:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 4:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gerhard Zintel, (Mon Mar 31, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 31, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 7:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Wed Apr 2, 8:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 9:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:35 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 8:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Wed Apr 2, 8:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:33 am)
[LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Goetze, (Wed Apr 2, 6:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 9:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:55 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:05 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:39 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 31, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 9:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Mon Mar 31, 11:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 1:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Esteban Viveros, (Mon Mar 31, 1:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:49 am)
[LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:59 am)
Re: [LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 3:04 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Harry van Haaren, (Mon Mar 31, 10:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 9:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 6:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 10:16 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alex, (Sun Mar 30, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Sun Mar 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Thu Apr 3, 3:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Apr 6, 9:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 2:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Fri Apr 4, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Apr 4, 9:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 6:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Apr 5, 6:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Apr 5, 12:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Apr 5, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 10:35 am)
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Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 12:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 1:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 4:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 2:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sun Mar 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 4:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Joel Roth, (Sun Mar 30, 6:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Mar 30, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 30, 2:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Sat Mar 29, 1:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 11:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ivan Tarozzi, (Sat Mar 29, 1:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Mar 29, 12:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 29, 1:20 pm)