Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it

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To: Len Ovens <len@...>
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Date: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 9:09 pm

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Gentlemen, this is going nowhere.

There is no use debating what is music and what is not. Seriously. This is
not what we can learn from Bitwig.

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Len Ovens wrote:

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Gentlemen, this is going nowhere.There =
is no use debating what is music and what is not. Seriously. This is not wh=
at we can learn from Bitwig.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Len Ovens <len@ovenwerks.net> wrote:

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

Music isn't a competition about smartness.

I think that is what was being said. Music today seems to be no longer abou=
t communicating anything at all... merely soundiing somewhat pleasant, or s=
howing off some vocal (or other) gymnastics seems to be most of it. Actuall=
y communicating what is in the artists heart is rare and too hard for a mon=
ey making organization to quantify, so they have gone for what is quantifia=
ble: Take a song that is already a hit, use a producer that we know makes u=
s money, get someone with a strong voice who can hit all the notes and does=
n't care too much what they sing so long as they get paid.

"Music" making tools that help that process are going to be what =
sw makers are going to look to for their bread and butter. It may be possib=
le to make actual music with those tools too...

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[LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sat Mar 29, 3:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Mar 29, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Mar 29, 4:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 9:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Sun Mar 30, 9:45 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Apr 1, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 1:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 7:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Apr 2, 12:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 3:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Will Godfrey, (Mon Mar 31, 6:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:09 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Set Hallström, (Mon Mar 31, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, James Morris, (Mon Mar 31, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 12:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gene Heskett, (Mon Mar 31, 2:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Cannam, (Wed Apr 2, 4:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 4:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 2:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 3:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 3:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 3:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 3:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Egor Sanin, (Mon Mar 31, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Edgar Aichinger, (Tue Apr 1, 3:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 5:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 4:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 4:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gerhard Zintel, (Mon Mar 31, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 31, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 7:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Wed Apr 2, 8:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 9:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:35 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 8:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Wed Apr 2, 8:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:33 am)
[LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Goetze, (Wed Apr 2, 6:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 9:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:55 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:05 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:39 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 31, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 9:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Mon Mar 31, 11:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 1:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Esteban Viveros, (Mon Mar 31, 1:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:49 am)
[LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:59 am)
Re: [LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 3:04 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Harry van Haaren, (Mon Mar 31, 10:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 9:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 6:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 10:16 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alex, (Sun Mar 30, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Sun Mar 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Thu Apr 3, 3:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Apr 6, 9:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 2:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Fri Apr 4, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Apr 4, 9:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 6:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Apr 5, 6:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Apr 5, 12:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Apr 5, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 10:35 am)
[LAU] List of good linux plugins (was Bitwig: what we can le..., rosea.grammostola, (Fri Apr 4, 10:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 12:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 1:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 4:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 2:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sun Mar 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 4:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Joel Roth, (Sun Mar 30, 6:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Mar 30, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 30, 2:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Sat Mar 29, 1:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 11:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ivan Tarozzi, (Sat Mar 29, 1:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Mar 29, 12:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 29, 1:20 pm)