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To: Jörn Nettingsmeier <nettings@...>
Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 3:59 pm

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A software tool should make tasks easy, so you don't waste time on
cumbersome workflow, bugs and missing features, but focus that time and
energy on making music. This has nothing to do with the intellectual level
of the music or musician. It's probably just that proprietary software
projects have more money, working hours and better cooperation/teamwork and
better knowledge of GUI design to get this done.

Using software on Linux makes you pretty often loose time on bad workflow,
bad integration, bugs and missing features. The process of creativity or
producing your creative work, stucks in the middle too often. I guess this
is more true for MIDI then for audio (not surprisingly that Fons, Jorn,
Robin work mainly with the audio part and have little to complain).

One acoustic guitar can play smooth and gives you joy and satisfaction. An
other guitar can give you blisters, no good sound, it doesn't help you to
produce your creativity and is frustrating ...

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:40 PM, J=F6rn Nettingsmeier <
nettings@stackingdwarves.net> wrote:

> On 03/31/2014 04:56 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

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A software tool should make tasks easy, so =
you don't waste time on cumbersome workflow, bugs and missing features,=
but focus that time and energy on making music. This has nothing to do wit=
h the intellectual level of the music or musician. It's probably just t=
hat proprietary software projects have more money, working hours and better=
cooperation/teamwork and better knowledge of GUI design to get this done. =

Using software on Linux makes you pretty often loose time on bad =
workflow, bad integration, bugs and missing features. The process of creati=
vity or producing your creative work, stucks in the middle too often. I gue=
ss this is more true for MIDI then for audio (not surprisingly that Fons, J=
orn, Robin work mainly with the audio part and have little to complain).
One acoustic guitar can play smooth and gives you joy and s=
atisfaction. An other guitar can give you blisters, no good sound, it doesn=
't help you to produce your creativity and is frustrating ...
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:40 PM, J=F6rn Nettingsmeier =
<netti=
ngs@stackingdwarves.net
> wrote:
On 03/31/2014 04:56 PM, Alex=
andre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:

Don't you see what's wrong with this picture?

yes, using proprietary DAWs dumbs users down.

I'm sorry, but I heard so few professionally composed and mixed pieces<=
br>
done with Linux audio software that I can't possibly imagine where
this notion of intellectual superiority comes from.

the tools have nothing to do with the artistic quality of the outcome. (eve=
n though a large part of the music industry works by making people believe =
just that). all they can do is let you arrive at a good result more quickly=
or more easily, or inspire you to try new things. the problem with the lat=
ter is that many people will get inspired in pretty similar ways, and the r=
esult of that you can hear on the radio.

i have worked on quite a few proprietary DAWs, and i still can't believ=
e the fiery hoops they make me jump through.

just this week i've had to decide to do a short film sound do-over on $=
PROPRIETARY_TOOL, because i can't import the EDL into ardour (yet), and=
manually syncing 75 clips is not an option (no timecode on location, unfor=
tunately, and now all i have is an OMF file). i thought, hey, let's imp=
ort the session and bounce it out with all regions expanded, so i can finis=
h the job on ardour. alas, $PT decides to bail out halfway through the expo=
rt with a totally unhelpful error message. sigh. now i'm stuck with it.=

latest brickwall i ran into is that $PT (after taking 10 years to support n=
ative audio hardware at all) has this totally arbitrary limit of 32 channel=
s of simultaneous native recording. you need more? buy the box. oh, you alr=
eady have far superiour audio hardware and the studio is running dante? too=
bad. buy the box, and buy a dante bridge.

right, that's the company which has been too stupid to get their accoun=
ting done properly for more than two years and got kicked out of NASDAQ for=
that. now that's two epic facepalms for the product that is responsibl=
e for most of the really professional content out there, whatever that mean=
s.

which, to conclude this little rant, makes it very hard for me indeed to av=
oid that fuzzy feeling of intellectual superiority, even though i agree it =
is a bad habit.

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J=F6rn Nettingsmeier
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Meister f=FCr Veranstaltungstechnik (B=FChne/Studio)
Tonmeister VDT

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[LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sat Mar 29, 3:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Mar 29, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Mar 29, 4:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 9:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Sun Mar 30, 9:45 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Apr 1, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 1:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 7:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Apr 2, 12:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 3:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Will Godfrey, (Mon Mar 31, 6:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:09 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Set Hallström, (Mon Mar 31, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, James Morris, (Mon Mar 31, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 12:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gene Heskett, (Mon Mar 31, 2:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Cannam, (Wed Apr 2, 4:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 4:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 2:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 3:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 3:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 3:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 3:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Egor Sanin, (Mon Mar 31, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Edgar Aichinger, (Tue Apr 1, 3:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 5:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 4:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 4:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gerhard Zintel, (Mon Mar 31, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 31, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 7:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Wed Apr 2, 8:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 9:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:35 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 8:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Wed Apr 2, 8:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:33 am)
[LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Goetze, (Wed Apr 2, 6:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 9:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:55 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:05 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:39 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 31, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 9:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Mon Mar 31, 11:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 1:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Esteban Viveros, (Mon Mar 31, 1:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:49 am)
[LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:59 am)
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Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Harry van Haaren, (Mon Mar 31, 10:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 9:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 6:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 10:16 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alex, (Sun Mar 30, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Sun Mar 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Thu Apr 3, 3:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Apr 6, 9:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 2:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Fri Apr 4, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Apr 4, 9:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 6:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Apr 5, 6:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Apr 5, 12:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Apr 5, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 10:35 am)
[LAU] List of good linux plugins (was Bitwig: what we can le..., rosea.grammostola, (Fri Apr 4, 10:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 12:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 1:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 4:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 2:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sun Mar 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 4:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Joel Roth, (Sun Mar 30, 6:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Mar 30, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 30, 2:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Sat Mar 29, 1:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 11:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ivan Tarozzi, (Sat Mar 29, 1:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Mar 29, 12:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 29, 1:20 pm)