Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it

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To: Simon Wise <simonzwise@...>
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Date: Sunday, March 30, 2014 - 10:27 am

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What we can learn from Bitwig is that they base their work on musician's
needs. And their whole application is tailored towards a musician getting
his work done easier and more efficiently.

In Linux Audio very often the basis is a curious technical idea that might
have little to do with doing music. As a made-up example "why not create a
framework that will have all the midi connections in one place and it will
dynamically reassign those connections and plug them using my new format
that everyone will have to adapt because it is such a great and efficient
format".
This is a strictly technical passion. Commercial projects tend to figure
out what their users actually want.

Even right now in this thread I see people suggesting many cool technical
feats, but I see little interest in trying to understand what musicians
might want. As I usually write, sometimes getting heated metaphors back at
myself for that, often a musician needs some basic stuff first.

I spoke about no Linux sampler supporting WAVE loops, although all Windows
DAWs do.
Or that no sf2 player has volume envelope, although most non-Linux sf2
players do.

And the reason for this is because people are doing software for themselves
and not necessarily for others. This is not good or bad, this is just how
it is. You decide whether you want to change this or not.

Louigi.
http://www.louigiverona.ru/

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What we can learn from Bitwig is that they =
base their work on musician's needs. And their whole application is tai=
lored towards a musician getting his work done easier and more efficiently.=

In Linux Audio very often the basis is a curious technical idea t=
hat might have little to do with doing music. As a made-up example "wh=
y not create a framework that will have all the midi connections in one pla=
ce and it will dynamically reassign those connections and plug them using m=
y new format that everyone will have to adapt because it is such a great an=
d efficient format".
This is a strictly technical passion. Commercial projects tend to fig=
ure out what their users actually want.Even right no=
w in this thread I see people suggesting many cool technical feats, but I s=
ee little interest in trying to understand what musicians might want. As I =
usually write, sometimes getting heated metaphors back at myself for that, =
often a musician needs some basic stuff first.
I spoke about no Linux sampler supporting WAVE loops, although all Wind=
ows DAWs do.Or that no sf2 player has volume envelope, altho=
ugh most non-Linux sf2 players do.And the reason for thi=
s is because people are doing software for themselves and not necessarily f=
or others. This is not good or bad, this is just how it is. You decide whet=
her you want to change this or not.
Louigi.http://ww=
w.louigiverona.ru/

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[LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sat Mar 29, 3:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Mar 29, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Mar 29, 4:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Mar 29, 9:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Sun Mar 30, 9:45 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Apr 1, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 1:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 7:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Apr 2, 12:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Lorenzo Sutton, (Wed Apr 2, 3:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Will Godfrey, (Mon Mar 31, 6:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:09 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 1:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Set Hallström, (Mon Mar 31, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gordon JC Pearce, (Mon Mar 31, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, James Morris, (Mon Mar 31, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 12:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 11:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gene Heskett, (Mon Mar 31, 2:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Cannam, (Wed Apr 2, 4:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 4:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 2:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 3:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 3:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 2:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 2:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 3:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 3:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 3:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 3:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Egor Sanin, (Mon Mar 31, 4:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Edgar Aichinger, (Tue Apr 1, 3:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Mar 31, 5:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Mon Mar 31, 4:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Philipp , (Mon Mar 31, 4:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Gerhard Zintel, (Mon Mar 31, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 31, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 9:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 7:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Wed Apr 2, 8:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 9:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, david, (Thu Apr 3, 5:35 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 8:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, David Olofson, (Wed Apr 2, 8:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:33 am)
[LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Goetze, (Wed Apr 2, 6:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:13 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Apr 2, 9:48 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Wed Apr 2, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:55 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 10:05 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Apr 2, 9:39 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 10:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 31, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Nils, (Mon Mar 31, 9:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Mon Mar 31, 11:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Mar 31, 1:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Esteban Viveros, (Mon Mar 31, 1:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Mon Mar 31, 1:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 1, 2:49 am)
[LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 2:59 am)
Re: [LAU] [off-list] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 3:04 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 31, 1:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Mon Mar 31, 10:42 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Harry van Haaren, (Mon Mar 31, 10:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 8:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 1, 9:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Apr 1, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Apr 1, 9:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Apr 2, 6:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Mar 31, 10:16 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Mon Mar 31, 10:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Alex, (Sun Mar 30, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Sun Mar 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Thu Apr 3, 3:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Apr 6, 9:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 2:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Tim Blechmann, (Fri Apr 4, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Fri Apr 4, 9:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Apr 5, 6:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sat Apr 5, 6:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sat Apr 5, 6:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Apr 5, 12:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Apr 5, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Simon Wise, (Fri Apr 4, 10:35 am)
[LAU] List of good linux plugins (was Bitwig: what we can le..., rosea.grammostola, (Fri Apr 4, 10:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Louigi Verona, (Sun Mar 30, 12:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 12:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 1:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, rosea.grammostola, (Sun Mar 30, 4:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Robin Gareus, (Sun Mar 30, 2:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Len Ovens, (Sun Mar 30, 4:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 4:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Joel Roth, (Sun Mar 30, 6:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 30, 2:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Mar 30, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 30, 2:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Dave Phillips, (Sat Mar 29, 1:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 11:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ivan Tarozzi, (Sat Mar 29, 1:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Mar 29, 2:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Mar 29, 12:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Bitwig: what we can learn from it, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 29, 1:20 pm)