Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?

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To: Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br@...>
Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Sunday, March 2, 2014 - 3:51 am

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Your post was very long and my response will not directly address what you
wrote. I am quoting something I wrote a couple of years ago about
interfaces for this blind people. It makes a single but I think critical
point.

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years ago someone paid me to do a text-based UI for ardour. it was centered
on very efficient use of the keyboard and using a screen-reader.

the code probably still exists. i don't think it was very successful,
partly for the reasons identified in the text you sent. but i think there
is a more important reason.

working with audio tends to involve the use of the screen to act as a kind
of memory. there are a ton of parameters in play, and its a huge barrier if
you constantly need to remember what they are all set to. the 2d expanse of
the screen represents a kind of 2nd level cache of this information, where
a sighted person can simply glance around and discover what they need to
know about the current state of things.

reproducing this functionality without the information-dense medium that
the screen represents is a HUGE challenge. i've thought about it on and off
every since the "ksi" interface for ardour was done. i have no ideas on how
anyone could make progress on this. i think its a very interesting, very,
very hard problem. i have no time to work on it.

as a practical note, if someone wants to do something like this, it would
obviously be quite likely that basing their efforts on an open source tool
is likely to offer a lot of possibilities that are simply not available
when using closed source tools.

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Your post was very long and my response will not directly address what you wrote. I am quoting something I wrote a couple of years ago about interfaces for this blind people. It makes a single but I think critical point.
-------------years ago
someone paid me to do a text-based UI for ardour. it was centered on
very efficient use of the keyboard and using a screen-reader.the
code probably still exists. i don't think it was very successful,
partly for the reasons identified in the text you sent. but i think
there is a more important reason.
working with audio tends to involve the use of the screen to act as a
kind of memory. there are a ton of parameters in play, and its a huge
barrier if you constantly need to remember what they are all set to. the
2d expanse of the screen represents a kind of 2nd level cache of this
information, where a sighted person can simply glance around and
discover what they need to know about the current state of things.
reproducing this functionality without the information-dense medium
that the screen represents is a HUGE challenge. i've thought about it on
and off every since the "ksi" interface for ardour was done. i have no
ideas on how anyone could make progress on this. i think its a very
interesting, very, very hard problem. i have no time to work on it.
as a practical note, if someone wants to do something like this, it
would obviously be quite likely that basing their efforts on an open
source tool is likely to offer a lot of possibilities that are simply
not available when using closed source tools.-----------------

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[LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Aiyumi Moriya, (Sun Mar 2, 1:17 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Florian Paul Schmidt, (Mon Mar 3, 11:15 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Joel Roth, (Sun Mar 2, 6:51 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Len Ovens, (Sun Mar 2, 5:40 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Aiyumi Moriya, (Sun Mar 2, 3:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 2, 4:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Paul Davis, (Sun Mar 2, 3:51 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Janina Sajka, (Mon Apr 7, 6:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Apr 7, 8:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Paul Davis, (Mon Apr 7, 9:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Apr 7, 11:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Paul Davis, (Tue Apr 8, 5:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 8, 8:50 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Simon Wise, (Mon Apr 7, 10:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Paul Davis, (Tue Apr 8, 5:03 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 8, 9:10 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 8, 9:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Simon Wise, (Tue Apr 8, 9:57 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, david, (Sun Mar 2, 5:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Paul Davis, (Sun Mar 2, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, F. Silvain, (Mon Mar 3, 10:37 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Aiyumi Moriya, (Mon Mar 3, 11:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 2, 8:48 am)
Re: [LAU] Music Editors for Blind Users?, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 2, 4:31 am)