Re: [LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping

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To: Milan Lazecky <espiritocz@...>
Cc: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org <linux-audio-user@...>, lmuse-user@lists.sourceforge.net <lmuse-user@...>
Date: Monday, September 2, 2013 - 4:10 pm

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> thank you. I just tried Muse - mapped some soundfont there and recorded s=
ome melody and.... > I got my first notation :)

"=2C another "Control > change" - all the time.. so maybe Rosegarden got a =
bit crazy because of these - or I have > done something wrong that time .. =
Anyway=2C now I got into it. Thanks to you guys=2C cheers!

Are you sure you were playing the Sax correctly? If you breath too hard int=
o a Sax it will also jump octaves and yours might have been a bit sensitive=
in how it wanted to render that to MIDI.
All that Control Change stuff is streaming 'emphasis'=2C most MIDI controll=
ers dothis including guitar controllers for pitch bend and polypressure key=
boards forpressure events. If the MIDI Sax only mapped the fingering events=
then you might as well be playing a Hohner Melodica MIDI (I am going to ge=
t flamed for this comparison so let me I apologise in advance=2C the melodi=
ca is pretty cool=2C bless the ChiLites and New Order but it isn't a MIDI S=
ax....). The reed in your sax probably registers air pressure and sends tho=
se as control events to let your music be more expressive and there can be =
_lots_ of those events.
If you record in some app and then drive a synth that maps those control ev=
ents to pitch bend but don't do it too subtly then you might find the resul=
ts to be unexpected. It shouldn't have affected how the music was scored si=
nce the note selection will have been done with literal NOTE_ON/OFF events =
from fingering but it might well affect how it was played back since you fi=
nger a note=2C mouth it=2C then the pressure events make the frequency go w=
ild by jumping octaves the way a Sax does anyway if you breath too hard. If=
you get issues again then check out the synth you are driving and try and =
find out what it does with the controller ID in the message. Go a bit furth=
er and you will be able to do things like map the controller ID to the synt=
h filter or cutoff and have a bit of fun with how you mouth your notes. Whi=
ch is pretty comparable to what the ChiLites did with the Melodica - they s=
ang into its mouthpiece and the result was something akin to a mechanical v=
ocorder (and hopefully that little bit of respect will save me from being c=
alled a melodicist).
Regards=2C nick.

2013/9/2 Paul Davis
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use aseqdump to create a trace of the incoming MIDI stream. post it here.
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On Sun=2C Sep 1=2C 2013 at 10:57 PM=2C Milan Lazecky =
wrote:
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Hi=2C
I am sorry for a beginner question=2C but your advice would be helpful..
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I have an electronic saxophone=2C Yamaha WX5.
I use with MIDI->USB=2C using Qsynth (through jack)=2C the sound is working=
well=2C but every time I try to record midi footage=2C using either rosega=
rden or ardour3=2C the midi record is:
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- in strange tones (the melody is there=2C but notes are transposed for +32=
or -32) (note that using Qsynth=2C or connecting with virtual keyboard=2C =
the notes are ok...)
- when I try to transpose the recorded melody to normal scale=2C it doesn't=
play anything (yes=2C I map some midi instrument there=2C but it seems lik=
e if there is some strange volume=3D0 was set=2C or I don't know - but I ha=
ven't found a way to set it to other values)
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=0A=
=0A=

I know it is very messy question. But maybe you know what is wrong in my ca=
se.. maybe to try another software=2C or I miss some settings there?

Thank you very much.
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Milan
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&gt=
=3B thank you. I just tried Muse - mapped some soundfont there and recorded=
some melody and....&nbsp=3B&gt=3B I got my first notation :)&gt=3B Thank you.&gt=3B Anyway=2C aseqdump is running and =
showing "Pitch bend"=2C "Control change"=2C another "Control&nbsp=3B<=
div dir=3D"ltr">&gt=3B change" - all the time.. so maybe Rosegarden got a b=
it crazy because of these - or I have&nbsp=3B&gt=3B =
done something wrong that time .. Anyway=2C now I got into it. Thanks to yo=
u guys=2C cheers!Are you sure you were playi=
ng the Sax correctly? If you breath too hard into a Sax it will also&nbsp=
=3Bjump&nbsp=3Bo=
ctaves and yours might have been a bit sensitive in how it wanted to render=
that to MIDI.All that Control Change stuff is streaming 'emphasis'=2C most =
MIDI controllers dothis including guitar controllers=
for pitch bend and polypressure keyboards forpressu=
re events. If the MIDI Sax only mapped the fingering events then you&nbsp=
=3Bmight as well be playing a Hohner Melodica MIDI (=
I am going to get flamed&nbsp=3Bfor this comparison =
so let me I apologise in advance=2C the melodica is pretty cool=2C&nbsp=3B<=
/div>bless the ChiLite=
s and New Order but it isn't a MIDI Sax....). The reed in your sax&nbsp=3B<=
/span>probably registers air pressure and sends thos=
e as control events to let your&nbsp=3Bmusic be more=
expressive and there can be _lots_ of those events.=
If you record in some app and then drive a synth=
that maps those control events&nbsp=3Bto pitch bend=
but don't do it too subtly then you might find the results to be&nbsp=3Bunexpected. It shouldn't have affected how the music w=
as scored since the note&nbsp=3Bselection will have =
been done with literal NOTE_ON/OFF events from fingering&nbsp=3Bbut it might well affect how it was played back since you finge=
r a note=2C mouth&nbsp=3Bit=2C then the pressure eve=
nts make the frequency go wild by jumping octaves the&nbsp=3Bway a Sax does anyway if you breath too hard. If you get issues ag=
ain then&nbsp=3Bcheck out the synth you are driving =
and try and find out what it does with the&nbsp=3Bco=
ntroller ID in the message. Go a bit further and you will be able to do&nbs=
p=3Bthings like map the controller ID to the synth f=
ilter or cutoff and have a bit&nbsp=3Bof fun with ho=
w you mouth your notes. Which is pretty comparable to what the&nbsp=3BChiLites did with the Melodica - they sang into its mouth=
piece and the result was&nbsp=3Bsomething akin to a =
mechanical&nbsp=3Bvocorder (and hopeful=
ly that little bit of respect will&nbsp=3Bsave&nbsp=3Bme from&nbsp=3Bbein=
g called&nbsp=3Ba melodicist).Regards=2C nick.2013/9/2 Paul Davis &l=
t=3Bpaul@li=
nuxaudiosystems.com
&gt=3B=0A=
use aseqdump to create a trace of the=
incoming MIDI stream. post it here.=0A=
On Sun=2C Sep 1=
=2C 2013 at 10:57 PM=2C Milan Lazecky &lt=3Bespiritocz@gmail.com&gt=3B=
wrote:=0A=
=
Hi=2CI am sorry for a beginner question=
=2C but your advice would be helpful..=0A=
=0A=
I have an electronic saxophone=2C Yamaha WX5.I use with MID=
I-&gt=3BUSB=2C using Qsynth (through jack)=2C the sound is working well=2C =
but every time I try to record midi footage=2C using either rosegarden or a=
rdour3=2C the midi record is:=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
- in strange tones (the melody is there=2C but notes are transposed f=
or +32 or -32) (note that using Qsynth=2C or connecting with virtual keyboa=
rd=2C the notes are ok...)- when I try to transpose the recorded =
melody to normal scale=2C it doesn't play anything (yes=2C I map some midi =
instrument there=2C but it seems like if there is some strange volume=3D0 w=
as set=2C or I don't know - but I haven't found a way to set it to other va=
lues)=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
I know it is very messy question. But maybe you know what is wron=
g in my case.. maybe to try another software=2C or I miss some settings the=
re?Thank you very much.=0A=
Milan=0A=
_______________________________________________=0A=
Linux-audio-user mailing list=0A=
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Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org
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http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user=0A=
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=0A=
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Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org=0A=
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[LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping, Milan Lazecky, (Mon Sep 2, 2:57 am)
Re: [LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping, Paul Davis, (Mon Sep 2, 1:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping, Milan Lazecky, (Mon Sep 2, 3:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping, Nick Copeland, (Mon Sep 2, 4:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping, Milan Lazecky, (Fri Sep 6, 2:31 am)
Re: [LAU] WX5 MIDI mapping, Tim E. Real, (Mon Sep 2, 8:24 am)