Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux

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To: Brent Busby <brent@...>
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Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 - 7:31 am

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Brent Busby wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

In that case it does sound like mutliband compression is what you're
looking for. You should definitely at least try Jamin, the idea is that it
includes everything you need for mastering. *However*, this only applies if
you're stuck with a stereo 'print'. If you have access to the pre-mix,
better results will be obtained by applying compression/limiting or other
remedies to the problem instruments on an individual basis.

Commerically recorded music is criminally overcompressed, BTW, so I
wouldn't use that as a measure of quality--unless you're trying to be the
next pop star and/or appeal to prematurely deaf 12 year olds. The rest of
us appreciate dynamics.

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Brent Busby <=
brent@keycorner.or=
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> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013, Ralf =
Mardorf wrote:

On Tue, 2013-09-10 at 21:38 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote:

MS is not a 'fashion mixing technique'.

MS for microphony makes sense and I didn't call this a 'fashion mix=
ing technique', I was talking about "mid/side EQ". I never he=
ard the term "mid/side EQ" before and I've got doubts, that i=
t's a useful mixing technique.

For all the appreciated criticisms of M/S EQ, I'm really just starting =
to learn about mastering, so I'm trying lots of things. =C2=A0Up until =
lately, my mixes have been simple enough that it hasn't been that diffi=
cult to get them to translate across different speaker systems, but lately,=
I have been creating some very complicated mixes that are offering me an o=
pportunity to expand my mastering knowledge. =C2=A0So I'm experimenting=
...and learning a lot of things that are new to me.

One of the things I've been disovering is that actually, the EQ that so=
unds right to me doesn't seem to be the problem. =C2=A0I've found t=
hat there are commercial mixes out there that are both colder than mine, an=
d some from the 70's that are warmer than mine, and they all translate =
somehow. =C2=A0So EQ curve is probably not the problem either way. =C2=A0It=
seems more related to compression and limiting -- my newer mixes have lots=
of transients all over the place, which sound great on speakers that rende=
r them well.

But some stereos seem to have woofers/subwoofers that only get engaged when=
there's a fair amount of power, which means that if you don't turn=
the volume up, it creates the impression that the EQ is mostly high mids a=
nd treble. =C2=A0If you turn up the volume, the "problem" disappe=
ars as the woofers begin to engage. =C2=A0Commercially recorded music doesn=
't do this on the same stereo. =C2=A0On other speaker systems, my mix n=
ever manifests a problem at any volume setting. =C2=A0This all seems to be =
about dynamics.

I am already using some compression and limiting, but obviously I haven&#39=
;t nailed it yet. =C2=A0I'm wondering if the Calf multiband limiter and=
/or multiband compressor may be useful here. =C2=A0Obviously, I don't w=
ant to squash the life out of my mix, but I do want to get its transients t=
amed enough that they'll survive playback across lots of kinds of speak=
ers.
In that case it does sound like =
mutliband compression is what you're looking for. You should definitely=
at least try Jamin, the idea is that it includes everything you need for m=
astering. *However*, this only applies if you're stuck with a stereo &#=
39;print'. If you have access to the pre-mix, better results will be ob=
tained by applying compression/limiting or other remedies to the problem in=
struments on an individual basis.
Commerically recorded music is criminally overcompressed, BTW, so I wou=
ldn't use that as a measure of quality--unless you're trying to be =
the next pop star and/or appeal to prematurely deaf 12 year olds. The rest =
of us appreciate dynamics.
=C2=A0

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[LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Brent Busby, (Mon Sep 9, 10:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Tue Sep 10, 10:15 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Sep 10, 7:30 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Sep 10, 9:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Sep 10, 11:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 11, 3:59 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Sep 11, 3:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 11, 6:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Sep 11, 7:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 11, 8:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ricardus Vincente, (Wed Sep 11, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Sep 11, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Sep 11, 10:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Bob van der Poel, (Fri Sep 13, 3:15 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Gene Heskett, (Fri Sep 13, 2:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sat Sep 14, 8:17 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, david, (Sun Sep 15, 7:11 am)
[LAU] Landlines, was Re: M/S EQ in Linux, Gordon JC Pearce, (Sun Sep 15, 10:12 am)
Re: [LAU] Landlines, was Re: M/S EQ in Linux, Simon Wise, (Mon Sep 16, 6:57 am)
Re: [LAU] Landlines, was Re: M/S EQ in Linux, Will Godfrey, (Sun Sep 15, 2:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] Landlines, was Re: M/S EQ in Linux, Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Sep 15, 10:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Landlines, was Re: M/S EQ in Linux, Joe Hartley, (Sun Sep 15, 2:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Sep 13, 6:36 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, david, (Fri Sep 13, 6:49 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Sep 13, 7:42 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Sep 13, 7:48 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Al Thompson, (Fri Sep 13, 3:34 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ricardus Vincente, (Wed Sep 11, 9:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 11, 9:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Sep 11, 8:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Sep 11, 7:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, david, (Wed Sep 11, 6:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, J. Liles, (Wed Sep 11, 7:31 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Sep 11, 4:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Sep 10, 8:09 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, J. Liles, (Tue Sep 10, 12:04 am)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, J. Liles, (Tue Sep 10, 9:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Sep 10, 10:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Joe Hartley, (Mon Sep 9, 10:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Kevin Cosgrove, (Mon Sep 9, 11:04 pm)
Re: [LAU] M/S EQ in Linux, Joe Hartley, (Mon Sep 9, 11:08 pm)