Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything

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Date: Saturday, August 17, 2013 - 6:05 pm

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013, James Harkins wrote:

> I don't entirely agree that art should not suit to anything. I come to

I'd agree completely with that. In fact, that may be exactly what's
been wrong with pop music since about 1997 or so -- there is no
subculture. In fact, apart from the electronic(a) movement and its
various sub-genres, the one thing that immediately strikes me about pop
music after grunge is that it has no name, no statement, no people, no
look, and no intent. It's just a bunch of a assorted songs from various
labels which, while they all seem to be trying to co-opt some sort of
look or feel from the past, don't actually have anything in common or
seem to be in unison trying to say anything. In all the years that rock
music (and its offspring) have existed since 1955 or so, that has never
happened before, and is probably the best argument that rock music has
stopped evolving and has become like jazz -- an important style that's
well on its way at this point to being taught in college courses. The
last prevalent style movement that had a name and a look and a
subculture was grunge/alternative in the mid-90's. Fashion and music
have been on auto-pilot ever since, for lack of any concrete direction.
(I wasn't much of a fan of grunge, so I'm not defending it as some sort
of golden age -- just acknowledging that it was a real rock movement,
and it looks like maybe the last one ever.)

> Many western classical composers in the early twentieth century argued

One could actually argue that the musical conservatory type culture they
had created between themselves and their audiences was a subculture in
itself, with far more direction than the post-1997 top-40.

The ironic thing about all of this is that the most potent rock
subculture ever, the psychedelic period in the 60's, was very political,
and happened in an evironment that's very similar to where we are now --
questionable foreign wars, questionable executive branch practices (from
both parties), massive popular disapproval of the US government.
Except this time, music and art is strangely silent about it all. One
would think in times like these, artists would not need to be coaxed to
make a statement.

--
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+ Sr. UNIX Systems Admin + banging on a million typewriters will
+ University of Chicago + eventually reproduce the entire works of
+ James Franck Institute + Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet,
+ Materials Research Ctr + we know this is not true." -Robert Wilensky
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[LAU] Art's suitability for anything, James Harkins, (Sat Aug 17, 5:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, david, (Sat Aug 17, 9:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Aug 17, 9:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Brent Busby, (Sat Aug 17, 6:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, James Harkins, (Mon Aug 19, 5:56 am)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sat Aug 17, 7:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Aug 17, 7:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Charles Z Henry, (Mon Aug 19, 5:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Neil, (Sat Aug 17, 8:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Brent Busby, (Sat Aug 17, 7:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Len Ovens, (Sat Aug 17, 6:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Aug 17, 7:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Aug 17, 9:53 am)
Re: [LAU] Art's suitability for anything, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Aug 17, 10:05 am)