Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies

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To: hermann meyer <brummer-@...>
Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Friday, August 16, 2013 - 8:58 am

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..matters a lot to us all. (sent the mail too soon...)

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Gabbe Nord wrote:

> If we move past the current arguments of "don't complain about free

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..matters a lot to us all. (sent the mail too soon...)=
On Fri,=
Aug 16, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord@gmail.com> wrote:
If we m=
ove past the current arguments of "don't complain about free stuff=
", there's something pretty interesting to discuss that we all cou=
ld benefit from; how do we make this better?

From both a user and a developers standpoint, how do we make this=
interaction better? What can users do to provide better bug reports, and h=
ow should they be handled? Are there guidelines for most projects as to how=
users should report bugs? Can we simplify this bugreporting somehow for th=
e user, and at the same time make it more powerful to the dev?

What does developers think is lacking in this interaction right n=
ow? What does users think's lacking?One point Herman=
n made is that devs more or less only gets contacted when there's somet=
hing wrong with their application. I can really see how that is, and that&#=
39;s very unfortunate. For me, one of the greatest draws to Linux Audio is =
the fact that I can so easily interact with the people who write the applic=
ations I use. A tighter community integration would be great for most peopl=
e. We have forums like Linuxmusicians.com, which might be a bit more laid b=
ack than the projects official forums. Maybe we could try and use LM-forums=
as a gathering point for the community for real? If we make sure every pro=
ject that wants gets its own sub-forum, getting together and both discussin=
g as well as helping each other gets very easy. Any thoughts on that idea?<=
br>

For me personally as a user, I can subscribe to a lot =
of Louigi's thoughts. The applications I use more or less always has so=
me fairly basic functionality that's either half or fully broken. Even =
if there's reports and a will to help debug, there's only so much o=
ne (or at best, a handful) developer can do. What's basic and a *must* =
functionality for me, might not at all be important to the rest. This is a =
reality, but can we make it better?

Please feel free to answer any of my questions here. I'd love=
to hear what both developers and users have to say about this, as this is =
something that

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, hermann meyer <brummer-@web.de> wrote:

Am 16.08.2013 07:14, schrieb Louigi Verona:

"It sometimes seems like people think they are doing the project or de=
veloper a favor by merely using it."

Perhaps some people, but I do not subscribe to such a view ;)

I'll repeat once again - it was just sharing of my experience that surp=
rised myself and I wanted to
tell about it - that even a rather dedicated user can go through such a pha=
se. There is really
no frustration or complaining, but, if course, I did anticipate that someon=
e might react that way.

I do say very positive things about Linux Audio if you read my site, so I j=
ust do not agree that you
attacking me as someone who just complains is constructive or necessary ;)<=
br>

So what do you want to reach with your podcast? You talk about your frustra=
tion about the situation in Linux Audio, and you get the same answer, from =
those who do the work, which ever comes in such situations.

Move your ass and work on it to make it better, there is no other way aroun=
d. It didn't help to just blame those who do the work, they wasn't =
burn as developers, they become developers because they have moved there as=
ses.

If you see a other way, let us know.

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[LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies, Louigi Verona, (Thu Aug 15, 11:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies, Leonardo Palomares, (Fri Aug 16, 5:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies, Fons Adriaensen, (Sat Aug 17, 10:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies, Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Aug 18, 11:25 am)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies, Gabbe Nord, (Fri Aug 16, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast. episode003: commenting replies, Harry van Haaren, (Thu Aug 15, 11:42 am)