Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001

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To: Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...>
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Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 - 7:03 am

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:

>

far too busy to get involved in one of these threads, but i thought i
should repeat something i've said many times before, in various ways.

you will NOT find the developers of audio apps on OS X or Windows wasting
much time cursing out CoreAudio or WDM or WaveRT, certainly not in public.
These features of their landscape are fixed and not subject to change
through any efforts they can make (other than bug reports and so forth).
and yes, those systems are far from perfect, but they are THE systems you
get to use on their respective platforms, whether you like it or not.

linux has always had the problem that nobody really wields a big enough
stick - it is always possible to image and more importantly to actually
implement an entirely different approach to a particular aspect of the
kernel and userspace subsystems. as a result of this, we get benefits (some
really innovative stuff happens first on linux) and we get disadvantages
(because expertise and hours are spent "fixing" systems that you'd just
have to deal with on other platforms).

one final small note for louigi regarding things like "why ardour doesn't
support DSSI". logic on OS X doesn't support VST. the proprietary world is
not so diffferent :)

of course, there is one important difference: nobody but apple could ever
add VST support to logic. anyone could add DSSI support to ardour, if they
had the knowledge and desire. i'm just not that person.

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Dave Phillips &lt=
;dlphillips@woh.=
rr.com
> wrote:

Yes, he despises JACK and I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel all that =
kindly towards ALSA. So what ? Are these things sacred cows, never to be di=
sturbed from their current positions ? And if he's offensive, maybe he =
takes it far more seriously than we think, and maybe just maybe he has thou=
ght through to a very different Tao of Linux audio. In another example, the=
OSS/Linux guys think differently about it, and they have a viable product.=

far too busy to get involved in one of the=
se threads, but i thought i should repeat something i've said many time=
s before, in various ways. you will NOT find the develop=
ers of audio apps on OS X or Windows wasting much time cursing out CoreAudi=
o or WDM or WaveRT, certainly not in public. These features of their landsc=
ape are fixed and not subject to change through any efforts they can make (=
other than bug reports and so forth). and yes, those systems are far from p=
erfect, but they are THE systems you get to use on their respective platfor=
ms, whether you like it or not.

linux has always had the problem that nobody really wields a=
big enough stick - it is always possible to image and more importantly to =
actually implement an entirely different approach to a particular aspect of=
the kernel and userspace subsystems. as a result of this, we get benefits =
(some really innovative stuff happens first on linux) and we get disadvanta=
ges (because expertise and hours are spent "fixing" systems that =
you'd just have to deal with on other platforms).
one final small note for louigi regarding things like "=
why ardour doesn't support DSSI". logic on OS X doesn't suppor=
t VST. the proprietary world is not so diffferent :) of course, the=
re is one important difference: nobody but apple could ever add VST support=
to logic. anyone could add DSSI support to ardour, if they had the knowled=
ge and desire. i'm just not that person.

=A0

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[LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Louigi Verona, (Tue Jul 2, 5:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Julien Claassen, (Tue Jul 2, 10:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Jul 2, 7:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Jul 2, 7:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Louigi Verona, (Tue Jul 2, 7:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Diego Simak, (Tue Jul 2, 6:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Louigi Verona, (Tue Jul 2, 6:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Dave Phillips, (Tue Jul 2, 8:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Paul Davis, (Wed Jul 3, 7:03 am)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Louigi Verona, (Wed Jul 3, 7:12 am)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Paul Davis, (Wed Jul 3, 5:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, david, (Wed Jul 3, 7:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Rui Nuno Capela, (Tue Jul 2, 9:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Linux Audio podcast, episode001, Diego Simak, (Tue Jul 2, 7:26 pm)