Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?

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To: Jostein Chr. Andersen <jostein@...>
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Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 - 11:38 am

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On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:

> On 04/02/2013 09:31 AM, Peder Hedlund wrote:

sorry, this isn't true.

double blind testing of 320 MP3 generally suggests that less than 10% of
the population can hear the difference. at 256 it goes up a bit, but it is
still the case that a majority of the population can't hear any difference.

so, it is not the case that this claim is not subject to debate. i'm sure
you'll want to argue that the artifacts and losses are real, for example.

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On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Jostein =
Chr. Andersen <jostein@vait.se> wrote:
On 04/02/2013 09:31 AM, Peder Hedlund wrote:
...

Over at HydrogenAudio they have a rule that you aren't allowed to talk<=
br>
about hearing differences between audio files unless you can prove it in
an ABX test.
You really should try doing one and check if you *really* can hear the
difference between the original wav and an mp3 produced by, say, "lame=

-V4" ( which would be ~160kbps) or if it's just your mind fooling =
you
into thinking you can. Never underestimate the power of belief :)

Are you basically saying that it's no need for lossless formats? =A0;-)=

All respect for HydrogenAudio, but I can't think about other's rule=
s when I just have to make a MP3 file without esses or tones that's mis=
sing, then I just have to do the mix better and somehow compensate a little=
bit. MP3 artifacts and some quality loss are well known issues and should =
not create to much debate.
sorry, this isn't true.double blind testing of 320 MP3=
generally suggests that less than 10% of the population can hear the diffe=
rence. at 256 it goes up a bit, but it is still the case that a majority of=
the population can't hear any difference.
so, it is not the case that this claim is not subject to debate. i'=
m sure you'll want to argue that the artifacts and losses are real, for=
example.

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[LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Thu Mar 28, 3:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Marius Jan├čen, (Thu Mar 28, 4:14 pm)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Brett McCoy, (Thu Mar 28, 4:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Thu Mar 28, 4:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Raffaele Morelli, (Thu Mar 28, 3:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Thu Mar 28, 4:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Leigh Dyer, (Fri Mar 29, 7:27 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, ben, (Fri Mar 29, 6:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Fri Mar 29, 9:49 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 7:31 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Apr 2, 9:07 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Paul Davis, (Tue Apr 2, 11:38 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Apr 2, 11:56 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 12:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Apr 2, 12:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Paul Davis, (Tue Apr 2, 12:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Felix Homann, (Tue Apr 2, 12:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Paul Davis, (Tue Apr 2, 2:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Apr 2, 3:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 2, 12:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 2, 1:02 pm)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 9:51 am)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 10:59 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 2, 12:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 12:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Chris Bannister, (Tue Apr 2, 3:00 pm)
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[LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 8:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Florian Paul Schmidt, (Wed Apr 3, 7:12 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Raffaele Morelli, (Thu Apr 4, 5:39 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Florian Paul Schmidt, (Wed Apr 3, 6:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Monty Montgomery, (Wed Apr 3, 6:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Monty Montgomery, (Wed Apr 3, 9:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Monty Montgomery, (Wed Apr 3, 6:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Raffaele Morelli, (Thu Apr 4, 5:44 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Monty Montgomery, (Thu Apr 4, 5:48 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Monty Montgomery, (Thu Apr 4, 5:53 pm)
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Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Florian Paul Schmidt, (Wed Apr 3, 7:30 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Florian Paul Schmidt, (Wed Apr 3, 6:43 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Raffaele Morelli, (Wed Apr 3, 7:03 am)
Re: [LAU] ABX test (was Re: What is the best MP3 encoder?), Raffaele Morelli, (Wed Apr 3, 6:18 am)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Florian Paul Schmidt, (Tue Apr 2, 1:29 pm)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Florian Paul Schmidt, (Tue Apr 2, 12:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Peder Hedlund, (Tue Apr 2, 1:11 pm)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Raffaele Morelli, (Tue Apr 2, 12:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Apr 2, 12:44 pm)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Tue Apr 2, 9:51 am)
Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Raffaele Morelli, (Tue Apr 2, 10:13 am)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Thu Mar 28, 5:31 pm)
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Re: [LAU] What is the best MP3 encoder? - 2, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Thu Mar 28, 3:38 pm)
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