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To: Hartmut Noack <zettberlin@...>
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Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 - 8:51 pm

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Hartmut, you've caught me at the moment of my writing inspiration, so there
you go:

To be fair here, Microsoft also rarely speak about their kernel. They
promote Windows. It so happens, that their kernel doesn't even have a name!

It is clear, of course, why Linux does have a name, as it is set aside from
all other kernels in several significant ways, however, I do not see a
reason why it should be promoted to non-technical consumers.
Saying "Ubuntu, based on Linux kernel" says nothing to the non-tech user
but raise unnecessary questions, such as "does Ubuntu release with some
other kernel as well?" and "what is a kernel and why should I care about
it"?

I understand that the latter question might seem important to some of us,
but seriously, of what immediate practical value is this education? Kernels
of popular systems are not interchangeable in today's digital world, so
Ubuntu, competing not with other Linux distros, but primarily with Windows,
might not win much by speaking about kernels. You cannot stick Linux into
Windows, "replacing" its original kernel. Why mention a kernel then?

The second point, about not respecting the user, I must say, with all due
respect to the free software ideal, has a taste of unwelcome paternalistic
attitude, in that free software supporters tend to think they are bringing
light to the world, when, I would argue, they are bringing light to
themselves.
Linux is being developed by those who are interested in it for themselves,
any calls to conquer the world fail if not at capturing imaginations of
certain impressionable individuals, then certainly at bringing on any
conquest-type action. We have to be honest with ourselves - most of us
enjoy playing around with Linux and although certain practical reasons,
like hardware compatibility, make us desire a more broad adoption of the
system, really, do we care that much?

And people who use Windows - and this might still be news for some - do not
feel the need to switch, don't feel they are not respected, don't care
about the freedoms that we care about - and we are not in a position to
tell them that they should. It is their choice. And it may be the right
choice for them.
Maybe - ... drumroll! ... - they don't need the freedoms we do. And don't
need not in a sense of not being aware, but genuinely don't care for them.
Someone might very genuinely not care, say, for Freedom 1. And they might
consciously give it up.

So, quality sells, it's just that people understand "quality" differently.

Stability is a separate issue. Stability sells - and sells well. But the
thing with stability is that on the desktop it gets lost in-between other
features, such as hardware support, developer support, mainstream
availability, etc. Windows machines might be less stable on average, but
all those other things make it rational to give up some stability for the
confidence that any hardware you buy will work.

Also, Linux stability is almost a myth, at least in the absolute form it is
promoted. When it comes to multimedia systems, to the desktop, as opposed
to running Apache on a server, Linux looses a lot of its stability. My
worst computer experience ever (!) was with Ubuntu Karmic. It is the least
stable system I have ever used, freezing about once in 2 hours, not
recognizing ADSL, not having sound, etc. And I hear that modern Windows is
less moody and is actually stable enough to be compared to a typical Ubuntu.

So there you go. I hope this was not boring and too off-topic.

Louigi.

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Hartmut, you've caught me at the moment of my writing inspiration, so t=
here you go:To be fair here, Microsoft also rarely speak about thei=
r kernel. They promote Windows. It so happens, that their kernel doesn'=
t even have a name!
It is clear, of course, why Linux does have a name, as it is set aside =
from all other kernels in several significant ways, however, I do not see a=
reason why it should be promoted to non-technical consumers.Saying &qu=
ot;Ubuntu, based on Linux kernel" says nothing to the non-tech user bu=
t raise unnecessary questions, such as "does Ubuntu release with some =
other kernel as well?" and "what is a kernel and why should I car=
e about it"?
I understand that the latter question might seem important to some of u=
s, but seriously, of what immediate practical value is this education? Kern=
els of popular systems are not interchangeable in today's digital world=
, so Ubuntu, competing not with other Linux distros, but primarily with Win=
dows, might not win much by speaking about kernels. You cannot stick Linux =
into Windows, "replacing" its original kernel. Why mention a kern=
el then?
The second point, about not respecting the user, I must say, with a=
ll due respect to the free software ideal, has a taste of unwelcome paterna=
listic attitude, in that free software supporters tend to think they are br=
inging light to the world, when, I would argue, they are bringing light to =
themselves.
Linux is being developed by those who are interested in it for themselves, =
any calls to conquer the world fail if not at capturing imaginations of cer=
tain impressionable individuals, then certainly at bringing on any conquest=
-type action. We have to be honest with ourselves - most of us enjoy playin=
g around with Linux and although certain practical reasons, like hardware c=
ompatibility, make us desire a more broad adoption of the system, really, d=
o we care that much?
And people who use Windows - and this might still be news for some - do=
not feel the need to switch, don't feel they are not respected, don&#3=
9;t care about the freedoms that we care about - and we are not in a positi=
on to tell them that they should. It is their choice. And it may be the rig=
ht choice for them.
Maybe - ... drumroll! ... - they don't need the freedoms we do. And don=
't need not in a sense of not being aware, but genuinely don't care=
for them. Someone might very genuinely not care, say, for Freedom 1. And t=
hey might consciously give it up.
So, quality sells, it's just that people understand "quality&q=
uot; differently.Stability is a separate issue. Stability sells - a=
nd sells well. But the thing with stability is that on the desktop it gets =
lost in-between other features, such as hardware support, developer support=
, mainstream availability, etc. Windows machines might be less stable on av=
erage, but all those other things make it rational to give up some stabilit=
y for the confidence that any hardware you buy will work.
Also, Linux stability is almost a myth, at least in the absolute form i=
t is promoted. When it comes to multimedia systems, to the desktop, as oppo=
sed to running Apache on a server, Linux looses a lot of its stability. My =
worst computer experience ever (!) was with Ubuntu Karmic. It is the least =
stable system I have ever used, freezing about once in 2 hours, not recogni=
zing ADSL, not having sound, etc. And I hear that modern Windows is less mo=
ody and is actually stable enough to be compared to a typical Ubuntu.
So there you go. I hope this was not boring and too off-topic.L=
ouigi.

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[LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Tue Mar 12, 2:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Tue Mar 12, 9:04 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Dave Phillips, (Tue Mar 12, 9:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Tue Mar 12, 9:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Wed Mar 13, 10:29 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Wed Mar 13, 11:45 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ivan Tarozzi, (Wed Mar 13, 12:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 10:36 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Tue Mar 12, 10:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Tue Mar 12, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Bearcat M. Şándor, (Tue Mar 12, 9:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Mar 12, 11:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Wed Mar 13, 1:45 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Mar 13, 12:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 13, 12:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Patrick Shirkey, (Wed Mar 13, 12:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 1:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 13, 1:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 13, 12:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Mar 13, 7:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 9:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 13, 8:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Hartmut Noack, (Thu Mar 14, 4:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Thu Mar 14, 5:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Sat Mar 16, 1:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Sat Mar 16, 1:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 16, 1:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, david, (Sun Mar 17, 2:23 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 17, 9:54 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sat Mar 16, 1:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 17, 8:45 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 11:11 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, david, (Sun Mar 17, 2:27 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 9:52 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Sun Mar 17, 4:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, , (Sun Mar 17, 9:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Sun Mar 17, 11:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 18, 7:12 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Mar 19, 10:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Tue Mar 19, 11:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Neil C Smith, (Wed Mar 20, 11:04 am)
Re: [LAU] Kazam screencast [WAS: LightWorks for Linux Demo], Chris Bannister, (Fri Mar 22, 5:20 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 20, 11:10 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 20, 11:07 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, david, (Wed Mar 20, 7:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Fri Mar 22, 12:11 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Fri Mar 22, 12:43 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Len Ovens, (Wed Mar 20, 1:04 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 20, 1:36 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 20, 12:24 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 18, 1:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, John Murphy, (Mon Mar 18, 11:17 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Mon Mar 18, 10:22 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 18, 2:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] enabling autologin, Len Ovens, (Tue Mar 19, 1:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 18, 4:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 18, 5:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Dan MacDonald, (Thu Mar 21, 8:08 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Thu Mar 21, 2:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Dan MacDonald, (Thu Mar 21, 7:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Thu Mar 21, 8:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 18, 5:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 18, 5:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 10:50 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 18, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Gene Heskett, (Mon Mar 18, 2:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, John Murphy, (Mon Mar 18, 5:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 3:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 18, 4:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Federico Bruni, (Mon Mar 18, 5:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Gene Heskett, (Mon Mar 18, 4:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 18, 4:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Len Ovens, (Mon Mar 18, 5:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, drew Roberts, (Mon Mar 18, 5:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 5:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 6:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Paul Davis, (Mon Mar 18, 2:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 11:05 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, david, (Mon Mar 18, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, michael noble, (Mon Mar 18, 7:56 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Mon Mar 18, 8:01 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Mar 18, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Federico Bruni, (Mon Mar 18, 7:46 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 10:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Paul Davis, (Sat Mar 16, 1:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 17, 9:36 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Simon Wise, (Sat Mar 16, 2:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Mar 16, 2:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, , (Sun Mar 17, 11:55 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 12:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Dragan Noveski, (Sun Mar 17, 1:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 1:56 pm)
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Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, , (Sun Mar 17, 9:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 2:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Dragan Noveski, (Sun Mar 17, 3:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 3:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Chris Bannister, (Sun Mar 17, 8:31 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, david, (Sun Mar 17, 1:43 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Hartmut Noack, (Sun Mar 17, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Mar 17, 8:38 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, , (Sun Mar 17, 11:46 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 10:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ivan Tarozzi, (Thu Mar 14, 11:33 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Daniel Worth, (Thu Mar 14, 12:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Mar 14, 12:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Mar 14, 12:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Thu Mar 14, 11:43 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ivan Tarozzi, (Thu Mar 14, 1:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Paul Davis, (Thu Mar 14, 2:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ivan Tarozzi, (Thu Mar 14, 2:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Thu Mar 14, 3:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 2:09 pm)
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Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 12:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 8:04 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Patrick Shirkey, (Wed Mar 13, 4:38 am)
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Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Thomas Vecchione, (Wed Mar 13, 8:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Robert Vogel, (Wed Mar 20, 1:21 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 20, 2:48 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 20, 7:57 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Paul Davis, (Wed Mar 20, 10:58 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 20, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 20, 8:11 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 20, 8:15 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Thomas Vecchione, (Wed Mar 13, 9:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, michael noble, (Wed Mar 13, 1:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Paul Davis, (Wed Mar 13, 1:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Thomas Vecchione, (Wed Mar 13, 8:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Paul Davis, (Wed Mar 13, 11:36 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Patrick Shirkey, (Wed Mar 13, 12:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Louigi Verona, (Wed Mar 13, 5:47 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Mar 13, 8:17 am)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Daniel Roviriego, (Tue Mar 12, 9:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Bearcat M. Şándor, (Tue Mar 12, 9:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] LightWorks for Linux Demo, Brett McCoy, (Tue Mar 12, 10:13 pm)