Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music

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To: Neil <djdualcore@...>
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Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 3:10 am

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Neil wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Paul Davis

I find 4000 a big put-off. Are there that many scales in use worldwide?? If
it were a few hundred one could at least make some headway. My guess is
that most of them are some kind of mathematical experiments.

The problem as I see it is like this:
Mathematically: The number of scales is worse than uncountably infinite
(powerset of R). So for mathematical tractability one needs to work with
genera, eg
- Equal tempered scales (not necessarily only 12 notes)
- Well tempered scales (all/notes usable, all subtly different aka Bach's
WTC)
- Meantones
- Justs with various cut-off rules

And then criteria for 'badness' http://x31eq.com/badness.pdf for comparing
these

Musician-ly: This is a pain. I just want better sound than ET. And a few
rules of thumb to make sensible choices.

Personally I can say that after I got my keyboards with a handful of
tunings a new world has opened to me. If only I could have done some of
that with timidity/fluidsynth...

Rusi
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http://www.the-magus.in
http://blog.languager.org

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Neil <djdualcore@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com> w=
rote:

p://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/

>

Very cool!

Another good book on the subject. =A0Don't let the title put you off.
The author isn't actually all that anti-ET.

http://www.amazon.com/Equal-Temperament-Ruin=
ed-Harmony-Should/dp/0393334201

NeilI find 4000 a big put-off. Are ther=
e that many scales in use worldwide?? If it were a few hundred one could at=
least make some headway.=A0 My guess is that most of them are some kind of=
mathematical experiments.
The problem as I see it is like this:Mathematically: The number of =
scales is worse than uncountably infinite (powerset of R). So for mathemati=
cal tractability one needs to work with genera, eg- Equal tempered scal=
es (not necessarily only 12 notes)
- Well tempered scales (all/notes usable, all subtly different aka Bach&#39=
;s WTC)- Meantones- Justs with various cut-off rulesAnd the=
n criteria for 'badness' h=
ttp://x31eq.com/badness.pdf
for comparing these
Musician-ly: This is a pain. I just want better sound than ET. And a fe=
w rules of thumb to make sensible choices.Personally I can say that=
after I got my keyboards with a handful of
tunings a new world has opened to me.=A0 If only I could have done some=20
of that with timidity/fluidsynth...Rusi-- http://www.the-magus.inhttp://blog.la=
nguager.org

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[LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Fri Feb 8, 7:43 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Stephen Stubbs, (Fri Feb 8, 1:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Alf Haakon Lund, (Mon Feb 18, 5:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Chris Bannister, (Tue Feb 19, 4:31 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Wed Feb 20, 8:12 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Alf Haakon Lund, (Wed Feb 20, 7:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Thu Feb 21, 6:13 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Feb 20, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Alf Haakon Lund, (Wed Feb 20, 8:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Mon Feb 18, 7:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, David Baron, (Mon Feb 18, 6:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sat Feb 9, 5:25 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Folderol, (Sat Feb 9, 9:05 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sun Feb 10, 3:04 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, David L. Craig, (Fri Feb 8, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Rustom Mody, (Tue Feb 19, 3:22 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Stephen Stubbs, (Tue Feb 19, 1:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Paul Davis, (Tue Feb 19, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Neil, (Thu Feb 21, 1:21 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Rustom Mody, (Thu Feb 21, 3:10 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Feb 21, 3:39 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Rustom Mody, (Thu Feb 21, 4:02 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sat Feb 9, 5:18 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Len Ovens, (Fri Feb 8, 2:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sat Feb 9, 5:22 am)