Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:40 PM, David L. Craig wrote:

> On 13Feb08:0755-0600, Stephen Stubbs wrote:

[Just a conjecture]
The western notes are different from the eastern.
Speaking in C-major-centric terms, a just-intoned Ab is 8/5, G# is 25/16.
This is a difference of more than 1/3 semitone.
On an equal-tempered keyboard that note is half-way between ie 800 cents.

My conjecture is that the western ear not being familiar with any
minor-sixth other than 800 cents hears it as such.
The eastern ear auto-corrects it up to the just-intoned 8/5.

I have been often mystified by the contradiction:
Western theory insists on the distinction between G# and Ab (augmented
fifth and minor sixth). And then makes them into the same note

The eastern ear easily hears the difference and yet the theory (I am
speaking for Indian) does not allow the notes to exist! To an Indian music
theoretician tivra-pa (G# or augmented fifth) is a contradiction in terms
because pa (fifth, sol) is achala -- unchangeable.

[As I said, just my conjecture]
Rusi
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:40 PM, David L.=
Craig <dlc.usa@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13Feb08:0755-0600, Stephen Stubbs wrote:

> On 2/8/2013 1:43 AM, david wrote:

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So explain how Western peoples feel sad in minor keys
while Middle Eastern peoples do not, just to mention
one non-universal emotional reaction.[Just a conj=
ecture] The western notes are different from the eastern.Speaking i=
n C-major-centric terms, a just-intoned Ab is 8/5, G# is 25/16. This is a d=
ifference of more than 1/3 semitone.
On an equal-tempered keyboard that note is half-way between ie 800 cents.My conjecture is that the western ear not being familiar with any min=
or-sixth other than 800 cents hears it as such.The eastern ear auto-cor=
rects it up to the just-intoned 8/5.
I have been often mystified by the contradiction:Western theory ins=
ists on the distinction between G# and Ab (augmented fifth and minor sixth)=
. And then makes them into the same noteThe eastern ear easily hear=
s the difference and yet the theory (I am speaking for Indian) does not all=
ow the notes to exist!=A0 To an Indian music theoretician tivra-pa (G# or a=
ugmented fifth) is a contradiction in terms because pa (fifth, sol) is acha=
la -- unchangeable.
[As I said, just my conjecture]Rusi-- http://www.the-magus.in<=
br>http://blog.lang=
uager.org

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[LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Fri Feb 8, 7:43 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Stephen Stubbs, (Fri Feb 8, 1:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Alf Haakon Lund, (Mon Feb 18, 5:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Chris Bannister, (Tue Feb 19, 4:31 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Wed Feb 20, 8:12 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Alf Haakon Lund, (Wed Feb 20, 7:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Thu Feb 21, 6:13 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Feb 20, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Alf Haakon Lund, (Wed Feb 20, 8:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Mon Feb 18, 7:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, David Baron, (Mon Feb 18, 6:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sat Feb 9, 5:25 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Folderol, (Sat Feb 9, 9:05 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sun Feb 10, 3:04 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, David L. Craig, (Fri Feb 8, 3:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Rustom Mody, (Tue Feb 19, 3:22 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Stephen Stubbs, (Tue Feb 19, 1:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Paul Davis, (Tue Feb 19, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Neil, (Thu Feb 21, 1:21 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Rustom Mody, (Thu Feb 21, 3:10 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Feb 21, 3:39 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Rustom Mody, (Thu Feb 21, 4:02 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sat Feb 9, 5:18 am)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, Len Ovens, (Fri Feb 8, 2:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] The Psychology of Music, david, (Sat Feb 9, 5:22 am)