Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?

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To: drew Roberts <zotz@...>
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Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - 6:16 pm

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Hey James!

This is a more elaborate reply to your arguments.

1. "I simply object to Kinsella's denial that creative labor is worth
anything."

He does not say that it is not worth anything. He simply takes a property
approach to IP. It is not about value.

Intellectual property is a claim that there should be property rules in the
sphere of ideas. Thus, to analyze this
claim, we must analyze property theory.

2. "If I want to increase the value of the blank DVDs by printing onto them
content created by someone else, that's *just fine* because I own the
material goods. If I then sell these newly-valuable DVDs for higher than
the cost of the blank ones, I am earning a profit. The work that I did to
earn that profit is a tiny iota of the work that went into the content that
I used, but I am making money off of it and I am not paying the people who
did the hard work."

Right. Thing is - value has nothing to do with property rights. Property
rights appear as soon as there is rivalrousness.

To supply an example. Let's say you took someone's piece of marble and
created a statue out of it. Is it now your statue,
because you've added "value" to it?

Creation in itself does not give you any property rights. In fact, there is
no creation, there is always only changing matter
according to laws of physics.

3. Did you read the whole thing?

I am asking, because Stephan goes through all that in great detail.

L.V.

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1. "I simply object to Kinsella's denial that creative labor is wo=
rth anything."He does not say that it is not worth anything. H=
e simply takes a property approach to IP. It is not about value.
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the sphere of ideas. Thus, to analyze this
claim, we must analyze property theory.2. "If I want to increa=
se the value of the blank DVDs by printing onto them=20
content created by someone else, that's *just fine* because I own the=
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material goods. If I then sell these newly-valuable DVDs for higher than
the cost of the blank ones, I am earning a profit. The work that I did=20
to earn that profit is a tiny iota of the work that went into the=20
content that I used, but I am making money off of it and I am not paying
the people who did the hard work."Right. Thing is - value has=
nothing to do with property rights. Property rights appear as soon as ther=
e is rivalrousness.To supply an example. Let's say you took som=
eone's piece of marble and created a statue out of it. Is it now your s=
tatue,
because you've added "value" to it?Creation in itself=
does not give you any property rights. In fact, there is no creation, ther=
e is always only changing matteraccording to laws of physics.
3. Did you read the whole thing?I am asking, because Stephan goes t=
hrough all that in great detail.L.V.

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Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, James Harkins, (Tue Feb 12, 2:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 3:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 3:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 3:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, drew Roberts, (Tue Feb 12, 11:35 pm)
[LAU] Changerd: Copyright laws and such, drew Roberts, (Wed Feb 13, 2:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, James Harkins, (Tue Feb 12, 4:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Thu Feb 14, 5:13 am)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Brendan Jones, (Thu Feb 14, 2:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 5:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 6:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?, Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 3:22 pm)