Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?

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To: J. Liles <malnourite@...>
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Date: Monday, February 11, 2013 - 7:37 pm

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I simply didn't support it, because i never see a release of NSM.
Hermann
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"J. Liles" schrieb:

On Mon, Feb 11, 20=
13 at 10:36 AM, renato wrote:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:0=
0:05 +0100
Ivan Tarozzi wrote:

> Any tips? Thanks!

H=
i, I must admit I only tried briefly, long ago, ladish and
jack-session, an=
d for one reason or another I dropped them...
recently though I've been try=
ing out non session manager, and I must say
I really really like it:

pros:=

+ it's dead simple but functional, I'd say it follows the KISS principle
+=
nsm-proxy, which lets you use *any* application in a session
+ fast sessio=
n switching for supported apps
+ supports session management over network

=
The only "cons" I could think of is that ATM *very* few apps support
it, bu=
t that isn't it's fault right?

I actually don't understand this situation,=
why so many support
jack-session but so little nsm (just look at [1] vs [2=
])? There
was a big discussion last year [3] and all the devs that took par=
t in
the discussion, except Rui, agreed that it was the best session manage=
r
for a variety of reasons... so why so little support for it?

cheers,
ren=
ato

[1] http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/jack_session
[2] http:/=
/wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/nsm
[3] http://www.linuxaudio.org/mail=
archive/lad/2012/3/22/189119

The list of programs supporting NSM is a bit=
longer than the linuxaudio wiki would suggest. Still... As to the question=
of why so little support: Although NSM was invented before jack-session, i=
t was not released until jack-session had been in the wild for some time. S=
o jack-session got a bit of a head start on patching. This was simply due t=
o the complications of life. LASH also had very few programs supporting it =
in its first years. To date, NSM support was implemented by yours truly in =
all but one of the NSM capable clients... I have a lot of projects and not =
a lot of time, so patching other people's software has to be on the back bu=
rner. The real issue is that session management is more of a users' problem=
than it is a developers' problem, so there's historically been very limite=
d interest from developers in supporting any kind of SM, especially from de=
velopers of monolithic applications. That being said, NSM is fairly well do=
cumented and easy to implement support for, so the ball is in your court.

=
Even the few applications that are NSM-enabled comprise a complete studio.
=

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I simply didn't support it, because i never see a release of NSM.<=
br>
Hermann
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uot;J. Liles" <malnourite@gmail.com> schrieb:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:36 AM, renato <rennabh@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:00:05 +0100
Ivan Tarozzi <itarozzi@gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:

> Any tips? Thanks!

Hi, I must admit I only tried briefly, long ago, ladish and
jack-session, and for one reason or another I dropped them...
recently though I've been trying out non session manager, and I must s=
ay
I really really like it:

pros:
+ it's dead simple but functional, I'd say it follows the KISS pri=
nciple
+ nsm-proxy, which lets you use *any* application in a session
+ fast session switching for supported apps
+ supports session management over network

The only "cons" I could think of is that ATM *very* few apps sup=
port
it, but that isn't it's fault right?

I actually don't understand this situation, why so many support
jack-session but so little nsm (just look at [1] vs [2])? There
was a big discussion last year [3] and all the devs that took part in
the discussion, except Rui, agreed that it was the best session manager
for a variety of reasons... so why so little support for it?

cheers,
renato

[1] http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/jack_session=

[2] http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/nsm
[3] http://www.linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lad/2012/3/22/1891=
19
The list of programs supporting NSM is a bi=
t longer than the linuxaudio wiki would suggest. Still... As to the questio=
n of why so little support: Although NSM was invented before jack-session, =
it was not released until jack-session had been in the wild for some time. =
So jack-session got a bit of a head start on patching. This was simply due =
to the complications of life. LASH also had very few programs supporting it=
in its first years. To date, NSM support was implemented by yours truly in=
all but one of the NSM capable clients... I have a lot of projects and not=
a lot of time, so patching other people's software has to be on the ba=
ck burner. The real issue is that session management is more of a users&#39=
; problem than it is a developers' problem, so there's historically=
been very limited interest from developers in supporting any kind of SM, e=
specially from developers of monolithic applications. That being said, NSM =
is fairly well documented and easy to implement support for, so the ball is=
in your court.
Even the few applications that are NSM-enabled comprise a complete stu=
dio.

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[LAU] Session manager: what about?, Ivan Tarozzi, (Mon Feb 11, 3:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, Dave Phillips, (Mon Feb 11, 6:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, Ivan Tarozzi, (Mon Feb 11, 10:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, renato, (Mon Feb 11, 6:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, J. Liles, (Mon Feb 11, 7:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, brummer-, (Mon Feb 11, 7:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, J. Liles, (Mon Feb 11, 7:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, brummer-, (Mon Feb 11, 8:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, renato, (Mon Feb 11, 9:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Feb 11, 3:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Session manager: what about?, Florian Paul Schmidt, (Mon Feb 11, 3:23 pm)