Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism]

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To: Bill Gribble <grib@...>
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Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013 - 9:02 pm

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+1 to Bill ... but bringing this back to the linux-audio-sucks
conversation: choosing a default UI that makes some people uncomfortable is
usually poor UI design.

In some places here in the US it is cute and kitschy to put sacks of salted
roasted peanuts around your tavern and let people drop the empty shells on
the floor. It makes the wood floor shiny and keeps the customers thirsty.
But it also serves to exclude the population subset with a peanut allergy.

Did you intend to exclude people who find pin-up girls uncomfortable from
your user group? If not, design principles of usability and accessibility
dictate you should probably change your default behavior.

To me, this is the same as fixing a default palette that is unusable to
those who are colorblind.

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Luke Peterson
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On Feb 10, 2013 2:27 PM, "Bill Gribble" wrote:

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+1 to Bill ... but bringing this back to the linux-audio-sucks conversat=
ion: choosing a default UI that makes some people uncomfortable is usually =
poor UI design.
In some places here in the US it is cute and kitschy to put sacks of sal=
ted roasted peanuts around your tavern and let people drop the empty shells=
on the floor. It makes the wood floor shiny and keeps the customers thirst=
y. But it also serves to exclude the population subset with a peanut allerg=
y.

Did you intend to exclude people who find pin-up girls uncomfortable fro=
m your user group? If not, design principles of usability and accessibility=
dictate you should probably change your default behavior.
To me, this is the same as fixing a default palette that is unusable to =
those who are colorblind.
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Luke Peterson
- sent via mobile device -
On Feb 10, 2013 2:27 PM, "Bill Gribble&quot=
; <grib@billgribble.com> =
wrote:

Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf=
@alice-dsl.net
> wrote:

br>

No, of course not. =A0But sexism is real, and we live in a world where sexu=
ality is used as a tool and weapon against women. =A0The projection of imag=
es of male sexual fantasy in every situation and scenario, whether relevant=
or not, is a mechanism which serves to disempower women.

In the case of wallpaper for a desktop, the choice is not whether to show a=
sexy woman or a woman in a burka. =A0 There's no requirement to have i=
mages of people at all!

I have a female relative who is a somewhat prominent electronic musician an=
d has maintained a "professional identity" as a male, since the b=
ias against and stereotyping of "lady DJs" is so prominent. This =
is more of a political statement than an actual attempt at deception since =
she doesn't really hide her gender beyond her stage name. Talk to women=
in music about how they are treated, and the ways in which they are sexual=
ized and stereotyped by club owners, =A0other musicians, music store employ=
ees (a whole topic of its own!), even fans. =A0It is ugly.

So it's not just the details of this one image, which is itself rather =
tamer than a Victoria's Secret billboard. =A0This is a deep and serious=
subject! =A0Best just to avoid the argument by not bringing sexualized ima=
ges in unless you are purposefully making something sexy. =A0I don't th=
ink falktx was trying to make something sexy.

Thanks,
Bill Gribble

>FWIW

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[LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Feb 10, 6:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Bill Gribble, (Sun Feb 10, 7:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: **** your sexism], Chris Bannister, (Mon Feb 11, 8:42 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: **** your sexism], Simon Wise, (Mon Feb 11, 9:15 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Feb 10, 9:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Dan MacDonald, (Mon Feb 11, 7:56 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Johannes Kroll, (Tue Feb 12, 1:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louigi Verona, (Tue Feb 12, 1:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Feb 12, 2:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Johannes Kroll, (Tue Feb 12, 1:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louis Gorenfeld, (Tue Feb 12, 5:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Luke Peterson, (Sun Feb 10, 9:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], SxDx, (Sun Feb 10, 8:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Dragan Noveski, (Mon Feb 11, 6:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Feb 11, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Dragan Noveski, (Mon Feb 11, 7:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], hermann meyer, (Mon Feb 11, 5:17 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Al Thompson, (Sun Feb 10, 10:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Sun Feb 10, 8:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Feb 10, 10:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louigi Verona, (Sun Feb 10, 8:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Feb 10, 9:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Al Thompson, (Mon Feb 11, 1:47 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], James Mckernon, (Sun Feb 10, 9:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louigi Verona, (Mon Feb 11, 6:17 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Feb 10, 9:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louis, (Sun Feb 10, 8:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louigi Verona, (Sun Feb 10, 8:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Al Thompson, (Sun Feb 10, 10:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] **** your sexism, Chris Bannister, (Mon Feb 11, 8:53 am)
Re: [LAU] **** your sexism, Louigi Verona, (Mon Feb 11, 9:01 am)
Re: [LAU] **** your sexism, Al Thompson, (Mon Feb 11, 6:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] **** your sexism, Louigi Verona, (Mon Feb 11, 7:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: **** your sexism], Dave Phillips, (Sun Feb 10, 10:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: **** your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Feb 11, 12:12 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Feb 10, 10:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], James Mckernon, (Sun Feb 10, 11:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Mon Feb 11, 1:29 am)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Feb 10, 8:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louis Gorenfeld, (Sun Feb 10, 7:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Feb 10, 7:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Louis Gorenfeld, (Sun Feb 10, 8:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Folderol, (Sun Feb 10, 8:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] [Fwd: Re: Fuck your sexism], Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Feb 10, 7:37 pm)