Re: [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?

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To: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@...>
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Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013 - 4:57 pm

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Hi Ralf!

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

> On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 09:59 +0000, Dan MacDonald wrote:

Surely its possible to get an optimized JACK setup working better than it
does currently?

I'm not advocating JACK lose any of its options but what I'm thinking is
something like this. Lets call the way JACK gets started at present the
manual mode and I want to see an auto ('low latency scanner') mode added.
On first run, auto-mode would do something equivalent to running a stripped
down ecasound that would run a series of tests to determine the best
settings (for tracking) that your setup can currently achieve without
xruns. It would likely be up to the user to re-run the auto tests when they
change hardware unless auto mode scans for that too. Exactly what the test
would comprise of I'm not sure but maybe something like simulating a
tracking a few tracks w/ plugins added to each. JACK has a dummy audio
device so I'm presuming here that it could simulate recording sound too
else maybe this is impossible.

>

I switch audio device several times a day. Sometimes I'll use onboard
audio, sometimes I'll use my USB portable hifi output and sometimes I'll be
using my Focusrite. They all have their own use cases.

> > [snip]

energyXT is in no way comparable in sheer hype and the music tech
industry/market interest thats surrounding Bitwig. energyXT is unlikely to
be counted in the top 50 DAWs now or at the time of its initial release.
Ableton and its offspring Bitwig are a BIG deal for Linux and music tech as
a whole as Ableton has enjoyed being one of the most popular music
production apps of recent years. Ableton has real market recognition which
Bitwig is inheriting and its very likely one of the top 5 most popular
music apps today. energyXT?

Whether you're into these sequencers or not, many people are so Bitwig is
big news Ralf - BIIIIIIG!!! :D

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Hi Ralf!On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:49 PM=
, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:<=
br>
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 09:59 +0000, Dan MacDonald wrote:

> and instead the user has to find out what options to tweak then find

How should it be done to auto-detect the best settings? IMO it's<=
br>
impossible.Surely its possible to get an optimize=
d JACK setup working better than it does currently?I'm not advo=
cating JACK lose any of its options but what I'm thinking is something =
like this. Lets call the way JACK gets started at present the manual mode a=
nd I want to see an auto ('low latency scanner') mode added. On fir=
st run, auto-mode would do something equivalent to running a stripped down =
ecasound that would run a series of tests to determine the best settings (f=
or tracking) that your setup can currently achieve without xruns. It would =
likely be up to the user to re-run the auto tests when they change hardware=
unless auto mode scans for that too. Exactly what the test would comprise =
of I'm not sure but maybe something like simulating a tracking a few tr=
acks w/ plugins added to each. JACK has a dummy audio device so I'm pre=
suming here that it could simulate recording sound too else maybe this is i=
mpossible.

>

I experienced this very seldom, but it's true, I at least remembe=
r one
very strange example on jack devel mailing list a while ago. The output
lead into a completely wrong direction.

> * JACK can't hot swap audio devices and so if the user wants this<=
br>

t

Are there many cases when users need to switch the audio device?<=
/blockquote>I switch audio device several times a day. Sometimes I=
'll use onboard audio, sometimes I'll use my USB portable hifi outp=
ut and sometimes I'll be using my Focusrite. They all have their own us=
e cases.

> [snip]

of

There's already energyXT, but it didn't cause such an explosi=
on.energyXT is in no way comparable in sheer hype=
and the music tech industry/market interest thats surrounding Bitwig. ener=
gyXT is unlikely to be counted in the top 50 DAWs now or at the time of its=
initial release. Ableton and its offspring Bitwig are a BIG deal for Linux=
and music tech as a whole as Ableton has enjoyed being one of the most pop=
ular music production apps of recent years. Ableton has real market recogni=
tion which Bitwig is inheriting and its very likely one of the top 5 most p=
opular music apps today. energyXT?
Whether you're into these sequencers or not, many people are so Bit=
wig is big news Ralf - BIIIIIIG!!! :D

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