Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio

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Date: Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 8:56 pm

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I love free software and almost everything about it but I fear that this
kind of mindset that "all advertising is to be avoided" is why Linux Audio
will never become as big a thing as it deserves to be.

Patrick's example of musicians marketing themselves struck a chord
(unforeseen pun) with me, as it's exactly right: My band has been "hoping
that people will come to our gigs" for the longest time but hope alone
doesn't tell people that there are five guys playing some funky music in
town, so now we're putting some effort into getting us out there.
Then there's a ton of really amazing creative people on YouTube who make
most (if not all) of their living from advertising. Advertising that allows
them to turn their passion into a living; hell, I wouldn't say no to that.

We have to be reasonable about this whole thing. I'd say that controlled
non-evil marketing can actually improve people's lives in a variety of ways.

Best Wishes,
Kevin

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Fred wrote:

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I love free software and almost everything about it but I fear that th=
is kind of mindset that "all advertising is to be avoided" is why=
Linux Audio will never become as big a thing as it deserves to be.
Patrick's example of musicians marketing themselves=
struck a chord (unforeseen pun) with me, as it's exactly right: My ban=
d has been "hoping that people will come to our gigs" for the lon=
gest time but hope alone doesn't tell people that there are five guys p=
laying some funky music in town, so now we're putting some effort into =
getting us out there.
Then there's a ton of really amazing creative people on YouTube wh=
o make most (if not all) of their living from advertising. Advertising that=
allows them to turn their passion into a living; hell, I wouldn't say =
no to that.
We have to be reasonable about this whole thing. I'=
d say that controlled non-evil marketing can actually improve people's =
lives in a variety of ways.Best Wishes,
KevinOn Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at =
10:31 PM, Fred <f.r=
ech@yahoo.fr
> wrote:

You do realise that many of the tools being produced by the Linux Audio
Community are being used in the advertising industry which makes us all
complicit in supporting it to start with.
=A0

Could you give examples please, my poor english can' follow here :-(

IMO we cannot avoid that fact that advertising and marketing is a very
crucial component to global industry which enables the corporate world to
continue to function.

I think you got the point here....

=A0We should seek to manage our own channel and
therefore the message and brand

So Linux is a brand more than a Community now ????

=A0rather than avoid it all together out of
some ridiculous fear of becoming Evil. We may even make enough money in
the process to pay some of our community members and help them to be
productive and motivated.
=A0

Money can be made with "products", software must be free, remembe=
r ???

If we continue to avoid the whole issue that is exactly what the "Evil=
"
marketing companies and corporations would like for us to do so that they
can have complete control over the message, brand, content and income
stream...
=A0

They, NOW, can have complete control over their brands, not much if you rea=
lly look !

Nothing against you here, means we are discussing in a philosophical way, a=
ren't we ?
Fred
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Dan S, (Mon Apr 23, 11:48 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:58 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Emanuel Rumpf, (Mon Apr 23, 12:18 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Apr 22, 10:53 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 11:04 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, S. Massy, (Mon Apr 23, 7:36 pm)
[LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Apr 23, 9:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Gerald Mwangi, (Tue Apr 24, 8:34 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Apr 24, 12:00 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Burkhard Wölfel, (Tue Apr 24, 5:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 24, 8:40 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Apr 23, 5:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Alex Stone, (Mon Apr 23, 3:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Mon Apr 23, 11:12 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Paul Davis, (Mon Apr 23, 11:22 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Andreas Kuckartz, (Mon Apr 23, 5:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Egor Sanin, (Mon Apr 23, 6:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Apr 24, 7:50 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Louigi Verona, (Mon Apr 23, 11:33 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Arnold Krille, (Mon Apr 23, 5:25 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Mon Apr 23, 7:51 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Apr 22, 9:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Kevin Thoma, (Sun Apr 22, 8:56 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:55 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, gene heskett, (Sun Apr 22, 1:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:55 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Julien Claassen, (Sun Apr 22, 8:39 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 10:04 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Sun Apr 22, 9:24 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:19 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 10:12 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:36 pm)
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