Re: [LAU] Time to move along

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To: Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy@...>
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Date: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 11:48 am

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2012/2/11 Jeremy Jongepier

> Remixing Leigh's (Pneuman) track is simply taking me too long and the

> So sorry Leigh that I probably won't finish it but it just doesn't work.

i _SO_ know the feeling :-(
still, thanks so much for your bug reports, and if it is any comfort : the
jack port renaming issues *should* be fixed in the next 0.9.6beta, and we
really are working on making hydrogen 0.9.6 the most stable release ever.
so by the time your newborn sleeps trough the night, and you have regained
full consciousness there will be a reborn 0.9.6 waiting for you ;-)

> One day my session didn't start up anymore. It really took me too long to

i hope so too !

grtz
Thijs

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2012/2/11 Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy@autostatic.com>=

Remixing Leigh's (Pneuman) track is simply taking me too long and the b=
aby's due next week so I'm just releasing this remix. It's not =
finished though but I will probably never finish it, for the moment I have =
enough of all the quirks of the software I'm using.

Here's the remix, hope you like it. Actually it's not really a remi=
x but basically a complete new song.

http://downloads.autostatic.com/=
music/pneuman-move_along_dj_autostatic_remix.ogg

sounds prety f#%&ing good to me !!=
=A0
So sorry Leigh that I probably won't finish it but it just doesn't =
work. Every time I wanted to work on this the track sounded differently aga=
in (probably because of some rogue plug-ins, I suspect some of the Calf one=
s), or the session didn't start up because JACK doesn't like some a=
pps loading simultaneously or too quickly one after another and there were =
also some stupid actions on my side like deleting complete tracks or buses =
of which I thought I didn't need them anymore resulting in a complete m=
ess. Next project I will make a backup of my Qtractor session every single =
time I have worked on it.

Ok, what did I do? Well, I tried remixing one of Leigh Dyer's (Pneuman)=
tracks, namely Move Along.

http://electronaut.linuxgamers.net=
/~lsd/music/releases/movealong/movealong.ogg

My goal was to create a nice dance-able electro tune out of it. So I had to=
speed everything up quite a lot (from about 85 to 125BPM I reckon) but Rub=
berband did the job marvelously. It even changed the vocal samples in such =
a way that they just sounded very inspiring so it was really fun to find th=
e right sounds that could go with the vocals. And I wanted to alter the mel=
ody in some parts so enter Zita-AT1 from Fons. With this track I learned al=
l the ins and outs of this great tool and ended up with vocal parts that Fo=
ns will probably despise but hey, it IS an autotuner after all! So thanks F=
ons! Amazing tool, especially when you feed it MIDI stuff, it does wonders =
then.

Next I added a vocoder to the vocals for the chorus, the MDA one which I li=
ke best compared to the other ones available. I wanted to try the TAL one b=
ut somehow my setup doesn't like Juce based plug-ins. I'm having a =
faint hunch that those plug-ins aren't real-time safe which may sound w=
eird but they seem to work better with a generic kernel. On a real-time ker=
nel they lock up my system within half an hour.

All the samples were fed into Qtractor by Hydrogen. Hydrogen is a great sam=
pler but the 0.9.5 version I used is so unreliable. One of the main reasons=
I don't pursue this remix is Hydrogen. Reordering, adding or deleting =
instruments, ah ah, don't even try, very often Hydrogen stalled then an=
d if it did work the JACK graph wasn't updated properly. And because of=
this behavior and trying to troubleshoot it I had moments when I thought, =
wtf am I doing? I want to make music, not filing bugreports or troubleshoot=
ing my own system.

i _SO_ know the feeling =A0:-(still, thanks so much for your bug reports, and if it is any comfort : the=
jack port renaming issues *should* be fixed in the next 0.9.6beta, and we =
really are working on making hydrogen 0.9.6 the most stable release ever.

so by the time your newborn sleeps trough the night, and you have rega=
ined full=A0consciousness=A0there will be a reborn 0.9.6 waiting for you =
=A0;-)=A0

One day my session didn't start up anymore. It really took me too long=
to find out I had to raise the number of available JACK ports. Default is =
256 but this project uses way more ports than that.

Qtractor... Yeah, I cursed at that one every once in a while too. But that =
was also because of the other apps I used that just don't work that wel=
l with Qtractor, specifically seq24. I really need to ditch seq24 and start=
looking at alternatives like HarmonySEQ. seq24 is dead and staying with JA=
CK 0.118.x just because of seq24 is just plain silly. But Qtractor proved i=
tself again, dozens of tracks, dozens of plug-ins, no biggie. Automation is=
still a tad fiddly but if I find a good way to express what the actual iss=
ues are I'm sure Rui will improve it faster than you expect.

Plug-ins, well, for softsynths I used some zynaddsubfx DSSI's and the M=
DA JX10 VST, a lot of compressors (SC3, SC4, linuxDSP Pro-Dynamics, Invada =
stereo compressor), the obligatory Calf Vintage Delay for the crash, Calf S=
aturator for the vocals and drums in the chorus, a lot of different reverbs=
, the MDA vocoder VST for the chorus and a distortion somewhere, I think fo=
r the MDA JX10. And I worked a lot with inserts for the vocals (to feed the=
m into Zita-AT1) and the bass synth (sidechain compression).

Besides the plug-ins I used Zita-AT1 (two instances, Zita-AT1 doesn't l=
ike getting fed overlapping samples so I split those between the two instan=
ces), Yoshimi (in some cases the zynaddsubfx DSSI and Yoshimi sounded diffe=
rently), Hydrogen, seq24 and Zita-DPL1 as the limiter on the Master bus.

Sample-wise I used a lot of Leigh's original stems, like the crash, the=
piano, the vocals, a kick here and there and some bass parts. For the chor=
us I used some samples from a Sequential Circuits DrumTrax samplepack. I go=
t the kick from some blog, http://www.boyinaband.com/.

Like I said, the track isn't finished. The chorus lacks energy because =
of unbalanced levels and missing stuff in the lower regions, some of the sa=
mples click because they are being processed in real-time by Hydrogen and I=
wanted to use some cutoff filtering in the bridge but had such a hard time=
setting it up in Qtractor that I dropped that idea. And the mix is too dry=
and needs more compression, it's just too tame.

So, time to move along. I probably won't be making any music for some w=
eeks, my girlfriend is 39 weeks pregnant so I'll become dad again very =
soon. Also I have a different busier job for which I also try to study a bi=
t at home. Luckily it's fascinating stuff (Asterisk & Kamailio, so =
VoIP telephony with SIP) and being the only one at that company with a soli=
d Linux background is very gratifying also, but also very demanding. But ne=
w stems are coming my way, next project will be a remix of a The Cut/Up tra=
ck (http=
://www.reverbnation.com/thecutup
). And I'm also working on s=
ome acoustic stuff, so something completely different. Despite our little f=
amily growing I do hope to release more stuff in 2012.

i hope so too !g=
rtzThijs=A0

Best,

Jeremy
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[LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sat Feb 11, 9:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Leigh Dyer, (Mon Feb 13, 12:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Feb 13, 8:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Leigh Dyer, (Tue Feb 14, 10:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Dan MacDonald, (Mon Feb 13, 8:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Feb 13, 1:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Dan MacDonald, (Mon Feb 13, 1:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Feb 13, 9:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Harry van Haaren, (Mon Feb 13, 2:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Harry van Haaren, (Mon Feb 13, 1:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Paul Davis, (Mon Feb 13, 1:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Guido Scholz, (Mon Feb 13, 6:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Feb 13, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, thijs van severen, (Mon Feb 13, 11:48 am)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Feb 13, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Hartmut Noack, (Sun Feb 12, 7:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Feb 12, 10:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Julien Claassen, (Sat Feb 11, 10:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sat Feb 11, 11:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, S. Massy, (Sat Feb 11, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Time to move along, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sat Feb 11, 10:57 pm)