Re: [LAU] Pro Audio? OT rant.

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To: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@...>
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Date: Monday, December 24, 2012 - 4:26 pm

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On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Patrick Shirkey <
pshirkey@boosthardware.com> wrote:

>

At that end of the market it isn't necessarily a matter of having 'luxury
to pick your tools for every job' it is a matter of, do I spend a few bucks
more and get something that will last me two to three times the lifespan?
Or not sound like crap? Or both, depending on the equipment. Yes some of
it sounds good, but I can't depend on any of it to last long.

> Our tests on this side of the pond have given us confidence in Behringer

You obviously haven't tested enough. Some of their stuff has decent S/N
ratio yes, the ADA are a prime example of this. However other equipment
from them is absolute crap and inject more noise into the signal path than
any CONSUMER equipment I have used. This includes, and especially applies
to, their low end mixers, compressors, and DIs, in particular are the units
I have had hands on experience with that I have refused to touch again.

>

Wait, are you saying that Behringer hardly does any marketing? BS.
Period. I see more marketing from them than I do from A&H, Soundcraft,
Yamaha, etc. They are not Bose no, but they are far from the least
marketed brand out there.

They depend on the 'walmart principle' if you make it cheap enough, people
won't care that it sounds like crap or will break in a few months as they
will just replace it.

They haven't lowered the entry bar for making music, that bar was lowered
before they even entered the market. People like Mackie, Samson, etc. made
low cost, just not quite as low, equipment, that lasted better and
generally sounded better, even if it wasn't close to what you get in the
low to mid range part of the market. What they have done is taught people
to settle.

Look, I am obviously not a fan of Behringer, but at this point you are
really sounding like someone that is.

Seablade

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On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Patrick Shirkey <pshirk=
ey@boosthardware.com
> wrote:

Most people don't have the luxury of choosing their tools f=
or every job.
Behringer mass produce their products using the cheapest methods possible
out of China which also includes the dubious practice of copying others in<=
br>
their industry (cough: Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Google...) and high
turnover that has resulted in their market domination for the low price
end of the market.
At that end of the market it isn't=
necessarily a matter of having 'luxury to pick your tools for every jo=
b' it is a matter of, do I spend a few bucks more and get something tha=
t will last me two to three times the lifespan?=A0 Or not sound like crap?=
=A0 Or both, depending on the equipment.=A0 Yes some of it sounds good, but=
I can't depend on any of it to last long.
=A0
Our tests on this side of the pond have given us confidence in Behringer
products. Not only are they cheap but they also represent very good value
for money and we can't fault the signal/noise ratio on the units we hav=
e
tested.You obviously haven't teste=
d enough.=A0 Some of their stuff has decent S/N ratio yes, the ADA are a pr=
ime example of this.=A0 However other equipment from them is absolute crap =
and inject more noise into the signal path than any CONSUMER equipment I ha=
ve used.=A0 This includes, and especially applies to, their low end mixers,=
compressors, and DIs, in particular are the units I have had hands on expe=
rience with that I have refused to touch again.
=A0

The Music Group is a strange company in the audio hardware manufacturing
industry. They do hardly any marketing because they recognise that if you
Make things cheap and good enough to get the job done and people will buy
them. That simple directive has enabled them to become the biggest audio
hardware manufacturer on the planet. Almost the complete opposite of any
other successful audio hardware company. In a way they are actually
enabling the masses to create and produce music rather than keeping it
solely the domain of the wealthy elite who can afford to spend the price
of a European house on a new toy ;-)
<=
br>Wait, are you saying that Behringer hardly does any marketing=
?=A0 BS.=A0 Period.=A0 I see more marketing from them than I do from A&=
H, Soundcraft, Yamaha, etc.=A0 They are not Bose no, but they are far from =
the least marketed brand out there.
They depend on the 'walmart principle' if you make i=
t cheap enough, people won't care that it sounds like crap or will brea=
k in a few months as they will just replace it.They have=
n't lowered the entry bar for making music, that bar was lowered before=
they even entered the market.=A0 People like Mackie, Samson, etc. made low=
cost, just not quite as low, equipment, that lasted better and generally s=
ounded better, even if it wasn't close to what you get in the low to mi=
d range part of the market.=A0 What they have done is taught people to sett=
le.
Look, I am obviously not a fan o=
f Behringer, but at this point you are really sounding like someone that is=
.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Seablade<=
br>

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