Re: [LAU] Synths for live use

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To: Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...>
Cc: Linux Audio User <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 9:43 pm

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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:

> Fluid Synth is VERY difficult to work with in a live situation, even as

For years, I regularly used Fluidsynth+qsynth in parallel with Bristol,
live at shows running off a netbook with an Atom chipset. Dell Latitude
2100.

(Somewhat outdated, but conceptually accurate) details here:
http://lukepeterson.com/2010/02/07/arriving-midi-keyboard-live-rig/

The trick was to set Bristol up as my hammond emulator on midi channels 1
and 2, then various patches including a Rhodes, a D6, a piano, a few other
things up on channels 3+ ... I set up Bristol to listen to the knobs and
sliders on my keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 61), and then could change patches by
flipping the global channel for that keyboard up and down. It took me half
a dozen shows to work out all the bugs in performance -- for instance, I'd
run into trouble every now and then if I'd change channels while holding a
key.

The most overloaded this rig ever got was a show where I had my X-Box
keytar running through a M-Audio MidAir wireless midi unit, fixed to
channel 1 on a high-distortion D6 patch, my Axiom 61 as a multichannel
workhorse playing any patch I wanted with the knobs and sliders set to the
hammond, and my old Yamaha P80 which was a pain in the ass to change the
channel on set to channel 4 for my piano patch. So 3 controllers in total.

Our encore was Baba O'Riley, for which I created a QArp arpeggio on the D6
that mimicked Pete Townshend's Lowrey autoarpeggio intro. After our set, I
ran a shell script to kick off QArp to control channel 1, and then started
the song from the crowd in front of the stage on my wireless keytar. It
worked great until I made my way back to stage and tried to hold the
arpeggio on the keytar while also then playing the first 3 piano chords on
the P80. The five-fingered piano chord along with the arpeggiating D6
overloaded the memory on my little netbook and sent a ton of nasty
artifacts through the venue's PA, and then I had to kill a bunch of
processes and re-load the rig. But it was pretty f--ing cool right to that
point. The sound tech and the rest of the band covered as best they could
and we did a fairly exciting trainwreck of an encore, which we medleyed
into something else. God bless beer and 2am crowds!

Anyway, I guess my point is, if you are just looking to play a fixed
fewer-than-16 patches and don't need to change any of their settings
mid-show, QSynth should be a fine solution. Pre-load each onto its own
channel and just change the channel on your controller to switch from patch
to patch.

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Luke Peterson

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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@gmail=
.com
> wrote:
Fluid Synth is VERY difficult to work with in a live situation, even as QSy=
nth. I tried it many times and I don't advice it.For years, I regularly used Fluidsynth+qsynth =
in parallel with Bristol, live at shows running off a netbook with an Atom =
chipset. Dell Latitude 2100.
(Somewhat outdated, but conceptually accurate) details =
here:=A0http://lukepeterson.com/2010/02/07/arriving-midi-keyboard-live=
-rig/

The trick was to set Bristol up as my hammond emulator =
on midi channels 1 and 2, then various patches including a Rhodes, a D6, a =
piano, a few other things up on channels 3+ ... I set up Bristol to listen =
to the knobs and sliders on my keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 61), and then could =
change patches by flipping the global channel for that keyboard up and down=
. It took me half a dozen shows to work out all the bugs in performance -- =
for instance, I'd run into trouble every now and then if I'd change=
channels while holding a key.
The most overloaded this rig ever got was a show where =
I had my X-Box keytar running through a M-Audio MidAir wireless midi unit, =
fixed to channel 1 on a high-distortion D6 patch, my Axiom 61 as a multicha=
nnel workhorse playing any patch I wanted with the knobs and sliders set to=
the hammond, and my old Yamaha P80 which was a pain in the ass to change t=
he channel on set to channel 4 for my piano patch. So 3 controllers in tota=
l.
Our encore was Baba O'Riley, for which I created a =
QArp arpeggio on the D6 that mimicked Pete Townshend's Lowrey autoarpeg=
gio intro. After our set, I ran a shell script to kick off QArp to control =
channel 1, and then started the song from the crowd in front of the stage o=
n my wireless keytar. It worked great until I made my way back to stage and=
tried to hold the arpeggio on the keytar while also then playing the first=
3 piano chords on the P80. The five-fingered piano chord along with the ar=
peggiating D6 overloaded the memory on my little netbook and sent a ton of =
nasty artifacts through the venue's PA, and then I had to kill a bunch =
of processes and re-load the rig. But it was pretty f--ing cool right to th=
at point. The sound tech and the rest of the band covered as best they coul=
d and we did a fairly exciting trainwreck of an encore, which we medleyed i=
nto something else. God bless beer and 2am crowds!
Anyway, I guess my point is, if you are just looking to=
play a fixed fewer-than-16 patches and don't need to change any of the=
ir settings mid-show, QSynth should be a fine solution. Pre-load each onto =
its own channel and just change the channel on your controller to switch fr=
om patch to patch.
-----Luke Peterson=A0

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[LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Tue Nov 13, 8:07 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Dan MacDonald, (Mon Nov 19, 7:36 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Tue Nov 20, 7:57 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Nov 20, 8:24 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Tue Nov 20, 12:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Paul Davis, (Tue Nov 20, 1:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Tue Nov 20, 1:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Wed Nov 21, 7:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Paul Davis, (Tue Nov 20, 1:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Tue Nov 20, 1:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, david, (Wed Nov 21, 7:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Wed Nov 21, 8:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Nov 21, 10:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Thu Nov 22, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Nov 22, 11:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Nov 22, 11:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Nov 22, 11:53 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Danni Coy, (Thu Nov 22, 11:58 pm)
[LAU] Yoshimi and MIDI learn (was Synths for live use), Jeremy Jongepier, (Fri Nov 23, 7:29 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Fri Nov 23, 12:21 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Wed Nov 21, 8:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Fons Adriaensen, (Wed Nov 21, 9:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Nov 22, 10:18 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Peter P., (Wed Nov 21, 10:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Dan MacDonald, (Wed Nov 21, 9:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Rui Nuno Capela, (Thu Nov 22, 12:18 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Nov 22, 10:42 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Edgar Aichinger, (Fri Nov 23, 7:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Fri Nov 23, 8:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Nov 22, 2:07 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Nov 22, 10:34 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Dan MacDonald, (Thu Nov 22, 7:31 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Thu Nov 22, 8:58 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Folderol, (Wed Nov 21, 10:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Nov 22, 10:30 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Folderol, (Sun Nov 25, 6:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Beers for live use, Hartmut Noack, (Sun Nov 25, 7:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, michael noble, (Wed Nov 14, 6:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Sun Nov 18, 2:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Nov 18, 7:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Paul Davis, (Sun Nov 18, 7:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Nov 18, 5:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Louigi Verona, (Sun Nov 18, 5:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Luke Peterson, (Sun Nov 18, 9:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Sun Nov 18, 11:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, david, (Mon Nov 19, 12:08 am)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Louigi Verona, (Sun Nov 18, 9:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Nov 18, 7:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, James Stone, (Sun Nov 18, 5:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Louigi Verona, (Sun Nov 18, 5:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Ralf Mardorf, (Sun Nov 18, 5:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Synths for live use, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Nov 13, 4:27 pm)