Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement

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Date: Friday, January 20, 2012 - 5:03 pm

On Friday, January 20, 2012 11:17:28 AM Rustom Mody did opine:

> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <
[...]

> > If you are musician in the first place, then it's a matter of what

:-)

> > We are talking about competition which is a natural thing. Rosegarden

Nope, its good that there is a plethora of ways to approach audio on a
linux system.

> > Alexandre Prokoudine

Con nails it on the head there IMO.

One distribution that I am aware of has made some kernels with his BFS
patches, and I have been running those kernels on this pclos machine for
quite a while. The improvement in response from the users experience angle
has to be experienced in order to believe it. Its better than the
deadline, its better than the teeny bit they did put into mainline & called
cfs. When I do feel a lag, I can glance up at the gkrellm display and see
that something else of likely dubious utility, has all 4 cores of this
phenom loaded to 75+%. That stuff should run in between key presses, NOT
delay them IMO.

The one thing I always admired about the amiga was that regardless of what
some graphics rendering application such as lightwave was doing, the
amiga's response to the keyboard or mouse were absolutely instant, and it
was done on a machine with a 25 mhz 68040 cpu, often with 8 megs or less of
main memory.

Heck, at the tv station where I was the CE for nearly 20 years, a stock
1200 and a Supergen (genlock kit) did all of our station ID graphics for
nearly 10 years. Only taken down when we converted to digital.

Linux, today, still could not have done that because we'd have had to
schedule the trigger some random amount from 1/2 second to 10 seconds ahead
of time. 'scuse me but that's bs, all that background stuff can be parked
on the stack while the job it is being asked to do, gets done. But no,
linux, with its kilobyte stack limit, it is far more important to finish
that background housekeeping task that doesn't mean squat because there
isn't room to save it on the stack. The fact that interactivity sucks
because of that limit simply is not on Ingo's radar. I long since gave up
banging on his mailbox with complaints, but a chance posting of a link here
pulled my trigger.

I am after all, now a diabetic, crotchety old fart of 77 who quit school
and went out to fix tv's in 1948, and who has watched this computing thing
take off almost from the gitgo. It has come quite a ways since the first
program I wrote that ran on an RCA 1802 based machine, and which did a job
to perfection for at least 12 years that I know of, after I had headed on
down the road in search of that mythical greener pasture.

Cheers, Gene
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[LAU] bitwig announcement, Renato, (Fri Jan 13, 4:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sat Jan 14, 7:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Nils, (Sun Jan 15, 1:35 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Jan 15, 12:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Renato, (Sun Jan 15, 5:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 1:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Rustom Mody, (Fri Jan 20, 9:03 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, gene heskett, (Fri Jan 20, 5:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Atte André Jensen, (Fri Jan 20, 7:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, david, (Fri Jan 20, 7:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, gene heskett, (Fri Jan 20, 7:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, hermann, (Fri Jan 20, 9:26 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Hartmut Noack, (Mon Jan 16, 12:03 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Jan 15, 2:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Folderol, (Sun Jan 15, 5:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 2:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Jan 16, 12:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Jan 16, 3:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, thijs van severen, (Mon Jan 16, 3:21 pm)
[LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jan 16, 12:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Jan 16, 2:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, david, (Tue Jan 17, 9:02 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Jan 17, 10:06 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Tue Jan 17, 10:14 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Rui Nuno Capela, (Mon Jan 16, 4:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Lorenzo Sutton, (Mon Jan 16, 1:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, gene heskett, (Mon Jan 16, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, hermann, (Sun Jan 15, 1:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Jan 16, 12:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Jan 17, 12:52 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, hermann, (Mon Jan 16, 1:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Jan 16, 1:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 2:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Sun Jan 15, 2:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 2:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Sun Jan 15, 4:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 4:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Sun Jan 15, 5:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 5:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Sun Jan 15, 5:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 6:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alan Russell, (Sun Jan 15, 6:27 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alan Russell, (Sun Jan 15, 11:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Thomas Vecchione, (Mon Jan 16, 1:30 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Louigi Verona, (Mon Jan 16, 8:48 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, david, (Tue Jan 17, 8:57 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Tue Jan 17, 1:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Atte André Jensen, (Wed Jan 18, 7:37 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, david, (Wed Jan 18, 8:37 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, david, (Wed Jan 18, 6:52 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Jan 18, 9:44 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, david, (Wed Jan 18, 6:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, thijs van severen, (Mon Jan 16, 9:10 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Paul Davis, (Sun Jan 15, 11:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jan 16, 10:10 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jörn Nettingsmeier, (Mon Jan 16, 12:40 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Mon Jan 16, 3:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Mon Jan 16, 7:34 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, hermann, (Mon Jan 16, 10:49 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Dave Phillips, (Mon Jan 16, 10:57 am)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Paul Davis, (Sun Jan 15, 8:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Sun Jan 15, 4:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, hermann, (Sun Jan 15, 2:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 2:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Dave Phillips, (Sun Jan 15, 3:56 pm)
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