Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement

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Date: Sunday, January 15, 2012 - 11:12 pm

On 15 January 2012 22:25, Thomas Vecchione wrote:

> If you are referring to the ecosystem that includes the community, then I

I agree, it shouldn't. But it does. Not to me, but to the community,
as evidenced by this thread. To me, this is all Nintendo vs. Sega
-esque bickering.

> In other words, what makes any software 'Linux Software' by your

By 'Linux software' I meant software that doesn't run on other OS's. I
gave JACK as an example but it was pointed out that it was a crap
example. So let's say something like... [goes through Launcher]...
JACK Rack, or Ingen, or Cinelerra, or Kluppe, or Qtractor... These are
all excellent apps, running only on Linux. These are the programs
which would encourage users to install Linux and become part of the
community/ecosystem. Bitwig and other cross-platform apps are not. If
I'm on a Mac and I buy a Bitwig license, I have the choice of just
installing it and using it, or installing Ubuntu, configuring it,
fighting with drivers and packages, learning a new OS, then using
Bitwig. Of course I'm going to install it on the Mac.

"Linux software" has nothing to do with closed or open source. It has
nothing to do with the community. The vast majority of Linux-only
software must be open source, but that's not my definition. I thought
it was pretty simple.

> Linux is far more than just audio software in general.  Audio Software is

I came from OSX as well, but I'm used to Pro Tools and Logic and
Native Instruments. I'm running Linux because I'm recycling an old
desktop. So it's an experiment. But I wouldn't have signed up to the
mailing list if I wasn't loving it.

> Believe me it literally cost me

I now only use the Mac for recording into Pro Tools. All my sounds
come from the Linux box or external sources (ie not computers). I only
use PT because like you I've invested a lot of money in it, but I've
invested a hell of a lot of time in learning shortcuts and so on. I
also have to use Pro Tools the odd time I'm working in studios. I
would say I know Pro Tools really well, and anyone who's used it knows
that it's not the most user-friendly DAW. That's much harder to give
up that the money involved.

> Does this mean I don't care about open source?  Not at all, if I didn't I

Then we completely agree and I don't feel picked on ;)

To go back to the Nintendo vs Sega comparison, I was a Nintendo kid.
But I didn't tell my friend his Mega Drive (Genesis) sucked because of
the audio DSP chip, or the graphics raster engine, or the gamepad
ergonomics. His Mega Drive sucked because he couldn't play Super Mario
Kart or Starwing on it.

I'm hopefully a little more mature now, and not really interested in a
Linux vs Mac vs Windows rabble, but the fact is that any OS is defined
by its software more than anything else. You could have the best OS in
the world, running at a bazillion gigaflops on 10 year old hardware,
but if there's only a dozen people using it and all it can do is
spreadsheets and solitaire, I'm probably not interested. The platform,
software and community are all part of the package when you invest in
a new OS. And cross-platform software has zero impact on that.

>        Seablade

-A
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[LAU] bitwig announcement, Renato, (Fri Jan 13, 4:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sat Jan 14, 7:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Nils, (Sun Jan 15, 1:35 am)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Renato, (Sun Jan 15, 5:38 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Atte André Jensen, (Fri Jan 20, 7:05 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Jan 15, 2:20 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Jan 16, 3:01 pm)
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[LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Jan 16, 12:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Jeremy Jongepier, (Mon Jan 16, 2:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, david, (Tue Jan 17, 9:02 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, Hartmut Noack, (Tue Jan 17, 10:06 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, James Morris, (Tue Jan 17, 10:14 am)
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Re: [LAU] [OT] Re: bitwig announcement, gene heskett, (Mon Jan 16, 4:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, hermann, (Sun Jan 15, 1:30 pm)
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Re: [LAU] bitwig announcement, Harry van Haaren, (Tue Jan 17, 12:52 am)
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