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Thanks to all of you for your inputs!

I'm happy that my ears are probably OK, because, as I said, I wasn't able to

hear any difference between mixes done on different DAWs.

Just to verify I get it right, 48bit = double precision, which means a

greater dynamic range?
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Dale Powell  wrote:
>  Agree on the whole that summing is summing is summing. Most DAWs these

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> days will use floating point (either 32bit or double precision) and A+B=C no

> matter what.

>

> There may be dithering at the end but you are talking a single bit possible

> difference between renders at points, which I don't believe anybody is going

> to hear. I personally find claims that one dither algorythm sounds better

> than another, especially at 24bits, can be nothing but salesman talk.

>

> Now how the DAW loads and converts your samples (eg mixing 44.1kHz and

> 48kHz samples within the same project, or using a different project same

> rate to all your samples) or if you are using an internal sampler to play at

> different frequencies, does make a difference.  For example compare Cubic vs

> Sinc (SinX/X) Interpolation and you very well might start to hear

> differences (there are more methods but these are a couple of the most

> common.) You may also find that one software uses Cubic on play and Sinc on

> rendering (as cubic is less processor intensive) and thus there are subtle

> difference between them whereas another may use Sinc at all times. While a

> lot of people disregard this as it's not part of the summing itself I argue

> it is part of the audio engine.

>

> But every time I have ever come across the X sounds great, Y sounds pants

> claims by people and then requests for examples to illustrate this they have

> either never materialised or the protagonist has ended up backing down from

> their claim. Especially on the rendered waveforms, due to the fact I

> mentioned above of some DAWs only using the better quality interpolation at

> that point.

>

> As mentioned the characteristics of the internal effects and DSPs used are

> going to have a lot more affect on your sound than any of this ever will!

>

> On the whole any differences that do exist are so small I really wouldn't

> worry about them.

>

> Dale.

>

>

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Thanks to all of you for your inputs! I'm happy th=

at my ears are probably OK, because, as I said, I wasn't able to hear a=

ny difference between mixes done on different DAWs. Just to verify I ge=

t it right, 48bit =3D double precision, which means a greater dynamic range=

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On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Dal=

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za@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agree on the whole that summing is summing is summing. Most DAWs these=20

days will use floating point (either 32bit or double precision) and=20

A+B=3DC no matter what.
There may be dithering at the end but you are talking a single bit=20

possible difference between renders at points, which I don't believe=20

anybody is going to hear. I personally find claims that one dither=20

algorythm sounds better than another, especially at 24bits, can be=20

nothing but salesman talk.
Now how the DAW loads and converts your samples (eg mixing 44.1kHz and=20

48kHz samples within the same project, or using a different project same

 rate to all your samples) or if you are using an internal sampler to=20

play at different frequencies, does make a difference.=A0 For example=20

compare Cubic vs Sinc (SinX/X) Interpolation and you very well might=20

start to hear differences (there are more methods but these are a couple

 of the most common.) You may also find that one software uses Cubic on=20

play and Sinc on rendering (as cubic is less processor intensive) and=20

thus there are subtle difference between them whereas another may use=20

Sinc at all times. While a lot of people disregard this as it's not par=

t

 of the summing itself I argue it is part of the audio engine.
But every time I have ever come across the X sounds great, Y sounds=20

pants claims by people and then requests for examples to illustrate this

 they have either never materialised or the protagonist has ended up=20

backing down from their claim. Especially on the rendered waveforms, due

 to the fact I mentioned above of some DAWs only using the better=20

quality interpolation at that point.
As mentioned the characteristics of the internal effects and DSPs used=20

are going to have a lot more affect on your sound than any of this ever=20

will!
On the whole any differences that do exist are so small I really wouldn&#39=

;t worry about them.
Dale.

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