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On Monday 11 July 2011 23:00:38 S. Massy wrote:

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> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:03:22PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:

> > On Monday 11 July 2011 21:43:41 Folderol wrote:

> > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:04:44 -0400

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> > > "S. Massy"  wrote:

> > > > Hi,

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> > > > I won't jump into this fray of art vs. technique, as its just too

> > > > dicey. I agree with you, Fons, on the distortion introduced by

> > > > limiting; but do you have any theory as to why most people actually

> > > > seem to like it? My experience is that people seem to feel lightly

> > > > compressed, open mixes are weak, but will take to a "brutalised" mix

> > > > enthusiastically. Do you have a theory? Also, aren't we a bit of a

> > > > slave to whatever people happen to like, however much we might feel

> > > > it is inferior?

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> > > > Cheers,

> > > > S.M.

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> > > I wonder if it is simply the fact that the distortion gives us a clue

> > > that the equipment is working as hard as it can. I've noticed that

> > > Fuzz on a guitar seems to make it sound louder than a clean signal

> > > that is actually a far higher amplitude. More 'width' seems to

> > > outweigh more 'height'.

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> > I think (at least) for distorted guitars its the amount of

> > high-frequencies that counts to our ears. Pure amplitude isn't

> > everything, you have to look at the level per (logarithmic) frequency

> > band. White noise "sounds" louder than pink or brown noise too.

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> But you can't compare electric guitar distortion with the kind of

> distortion we're talking about here.

Yes, I can :-) I didn't talk about harmonics vs non.harmonics. I talked abo=

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additional high-frequencies in general. For the power/freq its not importan=

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if its the 8th-harmonic or the 7.57357842th harmonic. But for the perceived=

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loudness is influenced by this. Whether its pleasant to hear or not is on a=

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different page.
Have fun,
Arnold
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