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On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 22:27 -1000, david wrote:

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> Paul Davis wrote:

> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:

> >

> >> When searching for a new 'professional' sound card I got the information

> >> or misinformation that most cards are firewire devices and firewire

> >> should be without issues only for Mac. Even Windows users reported that

> >> firewire is tricky.

> >

> > firewire can have issues on OS X too. i have at least one friend who

> > has a fiendishly hard time getting his fireface 800 to "boot" with the

> > right sample rate or to change it afterwards, and i've heard similar

> > stories about MOTU firewire gear.

> >

> >> The problem is that with each Linux upgrade X becomes more and more

> >> pain. I'm happy that my monitor settings are ok for all installs on my

> >> machine, but for all new installs the mouse wheel randomly and very

> >> seldom works, usually it don't work. I've got no issues with old Linux

> >> installs regarding to X (I still kept one old install).

> >>

> >> Setting up X is a PITA and using common distros PA was a PITA regarding

> >> to my old Envy24 cards, Debian doesn't use PA, that's why I switched.

> >

> > i find these discussions funny. i used to read that the reason to use

> > Ubuntu or Debian was that stuff just worked, especially "new stuff".

> > i've been using a different distribution that has a long history,

> > regularly gets criticized as not appropriate for the desktop, and i

> > just don't have the kinds of issues you're describing.

>

> Debian works here. Has for many many years. I can't blame Debian for

> perfectly supporting the Audiophile 2496 on the desktop machine ... or

> the fact that Behringer (manufacturer of the USB audio I use on my

> laptop) decided to name its hardware device "default". Figuring out how

> to make my setup recognize the USB audio as the default ALSA audio

> device took some figuring out because of that ...

>

> Ubuntu is not Debian. Ubuntu is Debian quirked by a bunch of people who

> are (in my opinion) slowly but surely working their way to their own

> proprietary Linux derivative. Ubuntu doesn't just work on my boring,

> stodgy old bog-standard hardware. Ubuntu usually barfs when trying to

> use the Intel i855GM video hardware built into my Toshiba laptop. It

> doesn't even get to the point of dealing with the audio hardware. When I

> boot an Ubuntu on the laptop, I always have to force X to use the VESA

> driver ...

>

> The last couple of Ubuntu releases have not included RT kernels because

> Ubuntu thinks no one needs one. After all, Ubuntu is for desktop Linux

> users: those people only use one audio device that does only stereo

> output, and they only use it to play MP3s. (Well, Debian still doesn't

> provide an RT kernel as standard. They also see no need for one.)

>

> I think some folk on the list have mentioned that Linux audio use is a

> small percentage of Linux users, and pro-audio users are an even tinier

> percentage of that, so pro-audio users routinely are ignored as being

> too tiny a minority group to pay attention to ...

>

> I understand that the newest incarnation of OSS solves all the problems

> that ALSA has ever had and does it all flawlessly ... yah, being

> sarcastic! ;-)

> 

:D
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