> > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 09:26 +0200,
pshirkey@boosthardware.com wrote:
> >> > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 06:49 +0200,
pshirkey@boosthardware.com wrote:
> >> >> 2: The people who are being paid are purposefully screwing things up.
> >> >> 3: The people who are being paid are incompetent and should be fired.
> >> >
> >> > Full ACK in general *just kidding*. Regarding to Ardour3, as long as
> >> the
> >> > coder don't wish his alpha version to be packaged and IIRC he does
> >> > (Pardon Mr. Davis if I'm mistaken ;), the packagers shouldn't include
> >> it
> >> > to a repository.
> >> >
> >>
> >> That is reasonable for an alpha version but when there is no ongoing
> >> support for the stable versions of the most useful tools and making sure
> >> there is a decent collection of unstable tools to work with in the major
> >> distros that suggests a more sinister angle. There is absolutely no good
> >> reason for the major distros to be so slack in this regard. They are
> >> literally making us all look bad.
> >>
> >> It's been this way for years and by now they should have realised that
> >> being successful at desktop Linux means supporting multimedia production
> >> tools. Apple realised this long ago with Garage band, iphoto, imovie,
> >> etc...
> >>
> >> I wouldn't be at all surprised if Microsoft and Avid were paying people
> >> to
> >> sabotage the major distros.
> >
> > :D
> >
> > There's a similar discussion here and I quoted you:
> >
> >
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-June/003364.h...
> >
> > One sentence I wrote there is:
> >
> > "Booking and other annoying stuff already is a PITA, so tweak a Linux,
> > writing scripts, switching the DE is the very last a musician which to
> > do." ^^^^^
> > wish ;)
> >
> > A new issue seems to be, that apps could become unstable, when they were
> > written for GNOME2 and GNOME2 becomes unsupported.
> >
>
> It goes deeper too. There is serious problem with backwards compatibility
> across the board. Try getting any of the recent updates to your favorite
> tools to compile in an older (>3 years) version of Debian/Ubuntu/Redhat.
> They should just work but there are so many dependency issues that most
> people will just give up.
>
> Having to constantly upgrade to the latest version of x distro just so we
> can use a new version of an app is a big hassle for most users. It's a
> complete no go for any uninitiated n00b.
>
>
> >> They surely see Linux multimedia production
> >> tools as a significant threat by now. The last thing they want is for
> >> the
> >> tools to be widely installed and utilised ootb. At the moment there are
> >> only hardened Linux users pushing development. With more unified
> >> distribution from the major distros that will significantly increase the
> >> user base and the potential for funding of major development efforts to
> >> close the remaining gaps.
> >>
> >> Avid and Microsoft are well aware of this current situation and are no
> >> doubt doing their best to keep the status quo. In other words they are
> >> poisoning the well.
> >>
> >> If it's not that then the only option left is incompetence on the part
> >> of
> >> the major distro's and the people they pay or choose not to pay to look
> >> after this stuff. But as it really doesn't take much effort on the part
> >> of
> >> Avid and Microsoft to get to those people and they can print cash to
> >> facilitate their agenda I have given up on the idea that the current
> >> situation is due to incompetence.
> >
> > It seems to be that Mark Shuttleworth (I never liked people like him)
> > does force the Ubuntu Studio guys to do everything as Ubuntu does for
> > averaged desktop users, which in IMO is idiocy. IMO we are under
> > friendly fire too!!!
> >
>
> I don't think it is his fault but the people he hires. Unfortunately his
> core team seems to be infiltrated for some years now. Just look what they
> did to Pulse Audio integration for a good impression of how bad it has
> been. Things have changed significantly since they cleaned hose on the
> people responsible for that fiasco. It is the same at Redhat too with this
> stupid policy of not including any potentially proprietary codecs and
> software enabled to use them and providing absolutely no official
> support/documentation for the rpmfusion repos. Now that Nokia has been
> absorbed by the MS borg we can write off any further support from them.
> Just look at what happened to QT/KDE since MS took over Nokia. Suddenly
> there are a whole bunch of dependencies that break existing installations
> if you want to upgrade. We can pretty much forget about Suse as they sold
> out to Novell/MS several years ago...