Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?

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To: Lieven Moors <lievenmoors@...>
Cc: Linux Audio User <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 - 2:00 am

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Lieven Moors wrote:

[ ... ]

one warning: as you get deeper into this, you are going to run into
one of the more unfortunate aspects of OSC: it is really deeply
unsuited for use as a 2-way protocol.

That is: it works very nicely when you have a controller that wants to
send a message to a receiver, without expecting a reply. It works very
nicely when you have an "engine" that wants to distribute information
on its state to someone who is listening for such changes.

But it really starts to break down if you use it for the "send a
message and get a reply". Its not that it breaks down in a deep and
fundamental way, more that it becomes unreliable and requires another
entire almost-a-protocol-itself layer on top of OSC to ensure that you
actually collect the replies etc. etc. It gets even more complex if
the ordering is important.
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[LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Fri Apr 15, 10:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, M Watts, (Sat Apr 16, 10:52 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Joel Roth, (Sat Apr 16, 2:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sat Apr 16, 11:17 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sat Apr 16, 8:57 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Sat Apr 16, 7:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Sun Apr 17, 3:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sun Apr 17, 4:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Mon Apr 18, 12:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue Apr 19, 7:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue Apr 19, 12:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue Apr 19, 4:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue Apr 19, 8:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue Apr 19, 8:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue Apr 19, 10:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue Apr 19, 10:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue Apr 19, 11:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed Apr 20, 8:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Wed Apr 20, 12:24 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Wed Apr 20, 1:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed Apr 20, 8:54 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Wed Apr 20, 7:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed Apr 20, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Thu Apr 21, 2:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 9:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 5:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 11:04 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue May 3, 8:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue May 3, 8:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Mon May 2, 1:38 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Mon May 2, 2:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu May 5, 11:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Fri May 6, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri May 6, 11:45 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri May 6, 9:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri May 6, 10:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 29, 5:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 5:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 7:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 29, 7:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 8:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 29, 8:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 9:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Mon May 2, 1:55 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Mon May 2, 2:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Tue May 3, 8:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue May 3, 8:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue May 3, 8:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Wed May 4, 12:18 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed May 4, 9:02 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Wed May 4, 1:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed May 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sun May 8, 4:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Wed May 4, 2:00 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Wed May 4, 1:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Wed May 4, 1:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Wed May 4, 6:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed May 4, 6:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Wed May 4, 2:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Thu May 5, 1:53 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Thu May 5, 2:00 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Tue May 3, 9:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 7:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Thu Apr 21, 12:05 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 8:40 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Thu Apr 21, 10:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 11:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 11:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, david, (Thu Apr 21, 8:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 9:28 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Arnold Krille, (Thu Apr 21, 11:04 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Thu Apr 21, 10:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Arnold Krille, (Thu Apr 21, 11:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 10:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Wed Apr 27, 8:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed Apr 27, 9:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Thu Apr 28, 3:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 28, 5:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Thu Apr 28, 8:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Fri Apr 29, 7:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 29, 10:52 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Folderol, (Thu Apr 28, 8:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Thu Apr 28, 8:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, david, (Thu Apr 28, 8:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Thu Apr 28, 2:53 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 28, 8:14 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Fri Apr 22, 2:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Cedric Roux, (Fri Apr 22, 7:22 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Fri Apr 22, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Fri Apr 22, 2:26 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Paul Davis, (Fri Apr 22, 1:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Fri Apr 22, 10:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sat Apr 23, 7:43 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Sat Apr 23, 12:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sat Apr 23, 7:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, david, (Thu Apr 21, 7:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 7:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Folderol, (Thu Apr 21, 7:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Thu Apr 21, 10:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Thu Apr 21, 7:57 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, david, (Fri Apr 22, 6:29 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Lieven Moors, (Thu Apr 21, 1:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Folderol, (Thu Apr 21, 8:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Wed Apr 20, 7:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Folderol, (Tue Apr 19, 8:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, linuxdsp, (Mon Apr 18, 12:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Mon Apr 18, 5:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Mon Apr 18, 6:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Folderol, (Mon Apr 18, 7:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Mon Apr 18, 9:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, david, (Tue Apr 19, 8:44 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue Apr 19, 7:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, david, (Tue Apr 19, 8:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Tue Apr 19, 10:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Mon Apr 18, 9:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Mon Apr 18, 1:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S C Rigler, (Mon Apr 18, 2:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Sat Apr 16, 11:20 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Julien Claassen, (Sat Apr 16, 11:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, S. Massy, (Sat Apr 16, 7:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] Editing zynadsuxfx/yoshimi patches?, Jostein Chr. Andersen, (Sun Apr 17, 11:06 am)