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To: Kim Cascone <kim@...>
Cc: Linux Audio Users <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011 - 2:08 pm

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:

> Hello Kim,

I see - this is correct and true - until one encounters other legacy layers

Just look at the fun that is PulseAudio for many people these days. It is
getting better but isn't there yet.

> and also true is that one can use a distro that makes all this invisible to

And here is the big thing, touched on later as well with the crapplications
comment.

Linux is competing against itself in this regards.

Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are two of the most troublesome distros for audio
in general. If it isn't lack of proper configuration, it is lack of proper
packages, very out of date packages, etc. These also happen to be the best
known and most publisized versions of Linux out there and like it or not,
when people that aren't already involved or have researched Linux hear the
word Linux, this is what they think of. This is generally the first
distribution someone tries, and their first thoughts are, "Well if this
which is supposed to be the best of Linux can't do basic things like allow
me to start Jack, the rest must suck".

I will repeat, Linux is competing against itself. The sad thing is that
Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio have larger crews behind them, but because their
focus is so varied they aren't often tuned well for audio. Maybe sometime
it will get better, but until then, people are going to go with the terms
they know(Ubuntu == TheBestOfLinux if not Ubuntu == Linux) and are ALWAYS
going to walk away dissapointed because in order to do even basic things
that even WINDOWS(Much less Mac) can do out of the box they have to 'hack
the system'(Terminology courtesy of our tech media) just to get the basics
working, much less the more advanced things like realtime preemption.

Until something can be done about that, there is only so much point in
competing with even a now defunct product to be honest.

Seablade

PS Great credit to GMaq, Macinnis, and all the others that do put their time
and energy into maintaining audio focused distributions.

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11 at 2:49 PM, Kim Cascone <kim@anechoicmedia.com> wrote:

Hello Kim,

Yes I know that article, which is very biased I think, but I was
referring to your article on CDM in which you state that for music
production on Linux one only needs ALSA (or FFADO for FireWire) and JACK.
=A0
I see - this is correct and true - until one encounters other legacy layers=
which might present problems -- I have a vague memory of needing to add a =
Jack<-->ALSA midi bridge for Yoshimi synth as well as some sort of OS=
S ALSA mod for some other app to work - sorry but details are fuzzy -

Just look at the fun that is PulseAudio fo=
r many people these days. =A0It is getting better but isn't there yet.<=
/div>=A0
and also true is that one can use a distro that makes all this invisible to=
the user and streamlines the work needed to set up a workflow and get thin=
gs customized but finding these other (sometimes arcane) distros is not all=
that easy -- the low hanging fruit is Ubuntu Studio which is rife with iss=
ues and no easier to use really than installing Ubuntu and setting up your =
own workflow with apps and utilities - which is what I have done because I =
didn't want to switch to another distro i.e. staying with Ubuntu was ea=
sier and didn't interrupt my busy work schedule etc etc
And here is the big thing, touched on late=
r as well with the crapplications comment.Linux i=
s competing against itself in this regards.
Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are two of the most troublesome distros for audio =
in general. =A0If it isn't lack of proper configuration, it is lack of =
proper packages, very out of date packages, etc. =A0These also happen to be=
the best known and most publisized versions of Linux out there and like it=
or not, when people that aren't already involved or have researched Li=
nux hear the word Linux, this is what they think of. =A0This is generally t=
he first distribution someone tries, and their first thoughts are, "We=
ll if this which is supposed to be the best of Linux can't do basic thi=
ngs like allow me to start Jack, the rest must suck".
I will repeat, Linux is competing against itself.=
=A0The sad thing is that Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio have larger crews behind=
them, but because their focus is so varied they aren't often tuned wel=
l for audio. =A0Maybe sometime it will get better, but until then, people a=
re going to go with the terms they know(Ubuntu =3D=3D TheBestOfLinux if not=
Ubuntu =3D=3D Linux) and are ALWAYS going to walk away dissapointed becaus=
e in order to do even basic things that even WINDOWS(Much less Mac) can do =
out of the box they have to 'hack the system'(Terminology courtesy =
of our tech media) just to get the basics working, much less the more advan=
ced things like realtime preemption.
Until something can be done about that, there is only s=
o much point in competing with even a now defunct product to be honest.=A0 =A0 =A0SeabladePS Great=
credit to GMaq, Macinnis, and all the others that do put their time and en=
ergy into maintaining audio focused distributions.

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Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Kim Cascone, (Thu Mar 3, 7:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Hartmut Noack, (Fri Mar 4, 3:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Thomas Vecchione, (Fri Mar 4, 2:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Renato, (Fri Mar 4, 2:38 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Renato, (Fri Mar 4, 8:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Alexandre Prokoudine, (Fri Mar 4, 3:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Renato, (Fri Mar 4, 5:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Alexandre Prokoudine, (Fri Mar 4, 9:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., david, (Thu Mar 3, 8:04 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Alexandre Prokoudine, (Fri Mar 4, 3:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., david, (Fri Mar 4, 7:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., Thomas Vecchione, (Fri Mar 4, 7:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] Laid to rest is Pro Tools LE"..., drew Roberts, (Fri Mar 4, 3:42 pm)