Re: [LAU] Audigy too

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To: Batz <batzman-lau@...>
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Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 11:47 am

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Batz wrote:

> I would indeed like to use linux for this stuff just prove a point if

Batz,

Don't take this personally, but the only thing I'm finding "confusing,
convoluted and a little out of step" are these emails.

It seems you have a few main issues going on. Probably too many to solve in
a single email thread. Try asking for help with one issue at a time and
persist until the issue is solved. Also, Ubuntu has good forums for
community support, so maybe that's a good place to seek help as well.

So far as I can tell, these are your main issues:

1) You want an out of the box experience. Do you expect to install a distro
and set nothing up and have it all work just like that? I doubt it. I seem
to recall you have some experience working with linux. Which distro (ignore
audio for now) are you most comfortable with? Do you prefer RPMs, DEBs, or
maybe you like installing from source? What works for you in terms of
general maintenance of a linux desktop? Becuase any distro you choose, you
are going to have to deal with package installation, maybe editing a config
file here or there. All that being said, I've found KXStudio to be the most
immediately accessible audio distro. I don't use it anymore, but I think
it's a fairly polished user experience as far as these things go.

2) Something is not "talking" with your envy24 card. It's impossible to know
what you mean by this unless you use some terms that others might be
familiar with. The envy24 based cards I use here work on the distros you've
mentioned and any other I've tried. At least after JACK has been set up
properly. You've given no indication that JACK is set up and working
properly. What steps have you taken? What are you using to set up JACK? If
you are using KXStudio, that's probably either the Simple JACK Config or the
JACK settings in Gladish. Either way, the process is still the same. Choose
a JACK backend, select a device, choose sane settings for the device.

3) KXStudio doesn't connect Linuxsampler to JACK. I'm kind of new to
linuxsampler myself, but generally I've found you have to set it up to use
JACK, the distro won't do it for you. This means setting up a sampler
channel that uses JACK. I can do this just fine in QSampler, so maybe that's
a good place to start.

4) *You* have some networking issues with puredyne. Post them in a separate
issue if you want to use puredyne. Don't assume the distro is broken (though
of course, it may be. Just the assumption doesn't help anyone)

5) You want a fast track. Maybe that's the issue. The only place you'll get
fast with linux audio is nowhere. This is especially true if it is new to
you. It's a step by step process.

My advice, for whatever it's worth, is to pick a distro you know how to use.
I mean one that you are comfortable with using and configuring on a day to
day basis. If you do that, all the other issues are fixable. Once you've
done that, then solve the soundcard issue. Put the Audigy aside for now - I
think the routing on Audigy cards under linux is going to be too complex and
just a pain, as it exposes internal buses to JACK as far as I know. Once you
have your working envy24 based JACK setup, then move on to the application
issues. Don't throw away a distro because you get to a point where something
isn't working as you expect it to - persist and figure out either why it's
not working or whether or not your expectations are correct.

-michael

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Batz <batzman-lau@al=
l-electric.com
> wrote:
I would indeed like to use linux for this stuff just prove a point if nothi=
ng else. But in essence linux isn't doing it self any favors by being c=
onfusing, convoluted and a little out of step. I should be use to that by n=
ow but my time is limited. I'm at the other end of my life. I don't=
have time to waste. I cut my teeth in this business 40 years ago and I jus=
t need stuff that works. So not to use linux is a very big bit disappointin=
g. On so many levels. But I'm running out of time and I have practical =
considerations.

So if anyone wants to tell me how I can fast track this, I would very much =
appreciate it.
Batz,

Don't take this personally, but the only thing I'm finding "co=
nfusing, convoluted and a little out of step" are these emails.

It seems you have a few main issues going on. Probably too many to=20
solve in a single email thread. Try asking for help with one issue at a=20
time and persist until the issue is solved. Also, Ubuntu has good forums fo=
r=20
community support, so maybe that's a good place to seek help as well.

So far as I can tell, these are your main issues:

1) You want an out of the box experience. Do you expect to install a=20
distro and set nothing up and have it all work just like that? I doubt=20
it. I seem to recall you have some experience working with linux. Which=20
distro (ignore audio for now) are you most comfortable with? Do you=20
prefer RPMs, DEBs, or maybe you like installing from source? What works=20
for you in terms of general maintenance of a linux desktop? Becuase any=20
distro you choose, you are going to have to deal with package=20
installation, maybe editing a config file here or there. All that being=20
said, I've found KXStudio to be the most immediately accessible audio=
=20
distro. I don't use it anymore, but I think it's a fairly polished =
user=20
experience as far as these things go.

2) Something is not "talking" with your envy24 card. It's imp=
ossible to know what you mean by this unless=20
you use some terms that others might be familiar with. The
envy24 based cards I use here work on the distros you've
mentioned and any other I've tried. At least after JACK has been set u=
p
properly. You've given no indication that JACK is set up and working=
=20
properly. What steps have you taken? What are you using to set up JACK?=20
If you are using KXStudio, that's probably either the Simple JACK Confi=
g
or the JACK settings in Gladish. Either way, the process is still the=20
same. Choose a JACK backend, select a device, choose sane settings for=20
the device.

3) KXStudio doesn't connect Linuxsampler to JACK. I'm kind of new t=
o=20
linuxsampler myself, but generally I've found you have to set it up to =
use=20
JACK, the distro won't do it for you. This means setting up a sampler=
=20
channel that uses JACK. I can do this just fine in QSampler, so maybe=20
that's a good place to start.

4) *You* have some networking issues with puredyne. Post them in a=20
separate issue if you want to use puredyne. Don't assume the distro is=
=20
broken (though of course, it may be. Just the assumption doesn't help=
=20
anyone)

5) You want a fast track. Maybe that's the issue. The only place you&#3=
9;ll=20
get fast with linux audio is nowhere. This is especially true if it is=20
new to you. It's a step by step process. My advice, for whateve=
r it's=20
worth, is to pick a distro you know how to use. I mean one that you are=20
comfortable with using and configuring on a day to day basis. If you do tha=
t, all the other issues are=20
fixable. Once you've done that, then solve the soundcard issue. Put the=
=20
Audigy aside for now - I think the routing on Audigy cards under linux=20
is going to be too complex and just a pain, as it exposes internal buses
to JACK as far as I know. Once you have your working envy24 based JACK=20
setup, then move on to the application issues. Don't throw away a distr=
o because you get to a point where something isn't working as you expec=
t it to - persist and figure out either why it's not working or whether=
or not your expectations are correct.

-michael

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Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Batz, (Sun Mar 13, 6:21 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Peter Nelson, (Sun Mar 13, 8:06 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Leigh Dyer, (Sun Mar 13, 7:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Batz, (Mon Mar 14, 9:43 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Leigh Dyer, (Tue Mar 15, 11:14 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Michelle Konzack, (Sat Mar 19, 8:35 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, david, (Sat Mar 19, 10:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Batz, (Wed Mar 16, 10:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Cedric Roux, (Thu Mar 17, 8:31 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Stephen Stubbs, (Wed Mar 16, 1:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, michael noble, (Wed Mar 16, 11:47 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Renato, (Wed Mar 16, 11:30 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, david, (Thu Mar 17, 9:17 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Leigh Dyer, (Wed Mar 16, 12:04 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Dave Phillips, (Wed Mar 16, 1:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, david, (Thu Mar 17, 9:37 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Batz, (Thu Mar 17, 1:00 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, S. Massy, (Fri Mar 18, 11:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Batz, (Sat Mar 19, 2:11 am)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, James Stone, (Sat Mar 19, 6:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Paul Davis, (Sun Mar 13, 12:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] Audigy too, Stephen Stubbs, (Sun Mar 13, 2:43 pm)