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Hartmut Noack wrote:

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> Am 08.02.2011 17:33, schrieb david:

>> Hartmut Noack wrote:

>>> Am 08.02.2011 09:15, schrieb david:

>>>> Hartmut Noack wrote:

>>>>> Am 08.02.2011 08:35, schrieb david:

>>>>>> Robin Gareus wrote:

>>>>>>> Hi Mike,

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 02/07/2011 04:40 PM, Mike Cookson wrote:

>>>>>>>> For non-realtime (including non-linear, like montage) processing

>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>> need only plugins (ladspa, lv2, vamp) and some editor like

>>>>>>>> Audacity,

>>>>>>>> mhWaveEdit or something other.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> For realtime (also called

>>>>>>>> non-destructive editing... hm, probably, they are right :) you need

>>>>>>>> set of various software, that could be used at one time and be

>>>>>>>> connected each to other).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> real-time effects processing and non-destructive editing often go

>>>>>>> hand

>>>>>>> in hand, but note that

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "non-destructive" means that the original [audio] data will never be

>>>>>>> modified. Any edit/effect/modifications are saved as new files (or

>>>>>>> remebered as application-settings operating on the original data).

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> audio-editors (rezound, audacity, sweep, etc) are usually

>>>>>>> destructive:

>>>>>>> load file, apply effect, save file -> original file is gone.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Audacity is import audio file, apply effect, save project (optional),

>>>>>> export in chosen format. It never replaces the original file.

>>>>>

>>>>> So there is a major dfference between audiofiles, you have imported

>>>>> and audiofiles, you have recorded with audacity -- correct?

>>>>

>>>> No, I never have. I usually use JACK, and have never been able to make

>>>> Audacity work with JACK. I've only done the following things with

>>>> Audacity:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Import 16 tracks of 32-bit WAV files (recorded on another machine

>>>> from my church band's Firewire interface using some Windows software)

>>>> and do basic mixing.

>>>>

>>>> 2. Trim and cleanup voice audio recordings made on my PDA.

>>>>

>>>> 3. Trim and convert wave files recorded using jack_capture.

>>>>

>>>> 4. Pitch shift prerecorded MP3s if needed for band members who play

>>>> solely by ear (if the recording's in Eb and we're playing it in D,

>>>> they're lost).

>>>>

>>>> If you have the time and brains needed to learn Ardour, go for it!

>>>>

>>> I think it is a myth, that Ardour is too complicated to learn for a

>>> beginner.

>>

>> Perhaps it's a myth for others. I responded only from my own experience.

>>

>> There are plenty of folk here who use Ardour and do wonderful things

>> with it. Advanced features? I couldn't tell an advanced feature from a

>> basic feature. I couldn't even figure out to simply record anything with

>> it, and Ardour's "automagic" setup didn't seem to include that

>> connection.

>

> New Project -> add stereo-track -> arm it for recording -> klick the red

> record-button in the upper left play-control.

It helps when you already know what to do.
> Here is another little trick that may be helpfull for beginners:

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>

> SHIFT+E pops up the Mixer-channel of the active track. Klick around in

> it to solve most of the problems and answer most of the questions that

> may arise for a beginner in Ardour. Such as from top to bottom:

>

> - where is my sound-card input signal going to?

> - where are these plug-ins and how and where can I insert them?

Thanks, will keep that in mind when I tackle Ardour 3.
> Do not get me wrong: Ardour IS in fact not the most simple of the

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> beasts. But the comparably little effort to get it under controll brings

> a lot of benefits that are must haves for serious audio-work. The most

> prominent are realtime-mix/FX and automation.

>

> What good is a simple interface if it does not give you the possibility

> to set the parameters of an EQ *while* you hear, what you do.

>

> As I switched from Windows 98 and Samplitude to Linux 2.4 I tried all

> audio-editors available for Suse 7.3 and the only one that I found to be

> worthwhile was SND. Shortly after that I heared word from Ardour that

> was a legend that time. Only installable by wizards that know how to

> compile komplex software from source and only runable with the magickal

> jack, who needed an even more magical rt-kernel.

>

> I worked for months until I had this Ardour-thing running and from that

> very point I knew, that I would never again install a dual-boot system.

Won't argue with any of that.
--

David

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