Re: [LAU] New floss made album released, Garage Orchestra! - The decison of Don Rodrigo

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Date: Friday, December 9, 2011 - 2:26 am

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First of all i'd like to start from a consideration: there's a big work to
do before recording, even before placing microphones. You must have a clear
view of the final result before starting with any operation IMHO.
For this work i started listening to the demos and picturing in my mind the
sound of this band, then i talked to the guys, change some song structure
and arrangements.
After this:

Recording
Drums: As you can hear from the song the drums sound a bit electronic. To
obtain this result i placed few microphones (bass drum, snare, hi-hat, tom
1, tom 2, floor tom, two overheads A/B figure), this because i knew that i
would have replaced the snare and the kick sound later so i didn't need
great accuracy on those percussions.

Bass: From the bass to the mixer and then sound card. Nothing special.

Guitars: From the guitars to the mixer and then sound card. This is not a
very common workflow, i'll explain later.

Synths: I wrote the parts on Muse and used some soft synth and also used
some external hard synth.

Voice: We made a very hard work on the voice since we put many parts
together to obtain a certain harmony. Then the singer recorded with a
condenser microphone an at 4040 if i recall well

Editing
Since i wanted to obtain an overall electronic sound i wanted the
instruments to play very "together" and tight so i did some surgical
editing on the tracks with Ardour 2.8.11. I encountered some problem
because it's well known that Ardour gets slow (and sometimes crashes) when
working with many many regions. To avoid this i reduced the hystory to 10
steps, i often consolidated regions and do some "cleanup unused regions" as
well. I also did some voice tuning with Fons Adriansen's Jretune.
Once everything was perfectly tight with the grid i started reamping the
bass and the guitars.

Reamp
Once i had the "perfect" guitars and bass takes, i sent the signals out
from my sound card to a reamp box (i use this one
http://www.radialeng.com/di-xamp.htm) and then to some amps. I recorded
them in order to have the bass amp sound summed to the direct one and to
have "bigger" guitars obtained with different amp sounds mixed together.

Drums Replacing
I did some drums replacing on the bass drum and the snare using
ladspa-trigger.

Synths
Once the midi parts were well defined i sent them to soft (Yoshimi,
Nekobee, amsynth for example) and hard synths (i had this Yamaha digital
piano a Korg 01WFD and a Roland jp 8000) and recorded them into the Ardour
session.

Mix
I mixed all the tracks together using many ladspa and lv2 plugins like
Invada, Calf and others.

Mastering
I exported groups of tracks from the mixing sessions and imported them into
a new one, then i used some soft eq and external compressor.

and also the pitfalls you encounter when using linux apps (like this app is

Except for the Ardour issue explained above i didn't encounter many weird
things.
Hope this can be exaustive enough.
Cheers

--=20
Giorgio Ba=F9
*Sound engineer*

T.Rex Studio
www.trexstudio.com

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tech question : can you tell us a bit more about your workflow?First of all i'd like to start from a consideratio=
n: there's a big work to do before recording, even before placing micro=
phones. You must have a clear view of the final result before starting with=
any operation IMHO.
For this work i started listening to the demos and picturing in my min=
d the sound of this band, then i talked to the guys, change some song struc=
ture and arrangements.=A0After this:
RecordingDrums:=A0As you can hear from the song the drums sound =
a bit electronic. To obtain this result i placed few microphones (bass drum=
, snare, hi-hat, tom 1, tom 2, floor tom, two overheads A/B figure), this b=
ecause i knew that i would have replaced the snare and the kick sound later=
so i didn't need great accuracy on those percussions.
Bass:=A0From the bass to the mixer and then sound card.=
Nothing special.Guitars:=A0From the guitars to t=
he mixer and then sound card. This is not a very common workflow, i'll =
explain later.
Synths:=A0I wrote the parts on Muse and used some soft =
synth and also used some external hard synth.Voic=
e:=A0We made a very hard work on the voice since we put many parts together=
to obtain a certain harmony. Then the singer recorded with a condenser mic=
rophone an at 4040 if i recall well
EditingSince i wanted to obtain an overall e=
lectronic sound i wanted the instruments to play very "together" =
and tight so i did some surgical editing on the tracks with Ardour 2.8.11. =
I encountered some problem because it's well known that Ardour gets slo=
w (and sometimes crashes) when working with many many regions. To avoid thi=
s i reduced the hystory to 10 steps, i often consolidated regions and do so=
me "cleanup unused regions" as well. I also did some voice tuning=
with Fons Adriansen's Jretune.
Once everything was perfectly tight with the grid i started reamping t=
he bass and the guitars.ReampOnce i ha=
d the "perfect" guitars and bass takes, i sent the signals out fr=
om my sound card to a reamp box (i use this one http://www.radialeng.com/di-xamp.htm) and then to=
some amps. I recorded them in order to have the bass amp sound summed to t=
he direct one and to have "bigger" guitars obtained with differen=
t amp sounds mixed together.=A0
Drums ReplacingI did some drums replaci=
ng on the bass drum and the snare using ladspa-trigger. =A0SynthsOnce the midi parts were well defined i se=
nt them to soft (Yoshimi, Nekobee, amsynth for example) and hard synths (i =
had this Yamaha digital piano a Korg 01WFD and a Roland jp 8000) and record=
ed them into the Ardour session.
MixI mixed all the tracks together using man=
y ladspa and lv2 plugins like Invada, Calf and others.=
MasteringI exported groups of tracks from the mixing sessio=
ns and imported them into a new one, then i used some soft eq and external =
compressor.

and also the pitfalls you encounter when using linux apps (like this app is=
great, but when you do this/that it crashes or does weird stuff or starts =
to 'suck real bad'Except for the A=
rdour issue explained above i didn't encounter many weird things.
Hope this can be exaustive enough.Cheers-- Giorgio Ba=F9Sound enginee=
rT.Rex Studio<=
/div>
www.trexstudio.com

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