Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music

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Subject: Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music

So while we *do* have impulses to behave in a very sexual way, or be
violent, and those do indeed come from 'deep inside' and belong to the
unconscious in the Freudian sense, it is not those that are being
manipulated, but in general it is the rationalisation process which
clearly does *not* belong the the unconscious - not even if many of our
rationalisations are in fact just excuses.

This also means that the responsability for accepting any product and
the rationalisation for doing so lies with those who do accept it. You
may think, and I agree, that trying to lure people into doing certain
things is not nice, but it is just an attempt - the final decision is
made by the target, not by the 'manipulator'.
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Interesting viewpoint. How does this compare with the effect of a parent
singing a lullaby to a screaming, non-vocabulary infant and immediately calming
the infant? Is the non-vocabulary infant making a conscious decision to stop
crying, even though other internal and external stimuli may be present and it
doesn't understand the vocabulary the parent is using?

Best,
Stephen.
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From: "fons@kokkinizita.net" <fons@kokkinizita.net>To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.orgSent: Sat, September 4, 2010 7:25:09 AMSubject: Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music
So while we *do* have impulses to behave in a very sexual way, or be violent, and those do indeed come from 'deep inside' and belong to theunconscious in the Freudian sense, it is not those that are being manipulated, but in general it is the rationalisation process whichclearly does *not* belong the the unconscious - not even if many of ourrationalisations are in fact just excuses.This also means that the responsability for accepting any product andthe rationalisation for doing so lies with those who do accept it. Youmay think, and I agree, that trying to lure people into doing certainthings is not nice, but it is just an attempt - the final decision ismade by the target, not by the 'manipulator'. ----------------Interesting viewpoint.  How does this compare with the effect of a parent singing a lullaby to a screaming, non-vocabulary infant and immediately calming the infant?  Is the
non-vocabulary infant making a conscious decision to stop crying, even though other internal and external stimuli may be present and it doesn't understand the vocabulary the parent is using?Best,Stephen.

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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 1, 10:34 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 6:52 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Wed Sep 8, 11:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Fri Sep 10, 5:43 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hakan Koseoglu, (Thu Sep 2, 7:02 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 7:17 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 1, 11:10 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Joel Roth, (Wed Sep 1, 6:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Wed Sep 1, 8:06 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Jeremy Jongepier, (Thu Sep 2, 1:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 1, 11:02 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Thu Sep 16, 7:12 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Wed Sep 1, 1:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Sep 4, 9:22 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Tue Sep 7, 5:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Rustom Mody, (Wed Sep 8, 6:04 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Thu Sep 9, 4:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Thu Sep 9, 10:44 pm)
[LAU] , Florent Berthaut, (Fri Sep 10, 10:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Daniel Roviriego, (Thu Sep 16, 3:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Florent Berthaut, (Thu Sep 16, 4:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Dave Phillips, (Thu Sep 16, 4:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Folderol, (Wed Sep 15, 7:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Florent Berthaut, (Wed Sep 15, 8:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Jorge Salgueiro, (Wed Sep 15, 8:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Florent Berthaut, (Wed Sep 15, 8:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] , Hartmut Noack, (Thu Sep 16, 7:47 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Gwenhwyfaer, (Wed Sep 8, 10:24 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Wed Sep 8, 11:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Wed Sep 8, 6:15 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Rustom Mody, (Wed Sep 8, 6:28 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Stephen Stubbs, (Sat Sep 4, 7:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Wed Sep 1, 1:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Thu Sep 9, 5:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Fri Sep 10, 5:45 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Fri Sep 10, 12:33 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Fri Sep 10, 5:47 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Fri Sep 10, 6:23 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Wed Sep 1, 12:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Wed Sep 1, 11:19 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Sep 1, 9:21 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hartmut Noack, (Wed Sep 1, 8:27 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 6:47 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hartmut Noack, (Thu Sep 2, 1:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Sep 4, 9:49 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Sep 4, 4:41 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Fri Sep 3, 5:07 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hartmut Noack, (Sat Sep 4, 4:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Paul Davis, (Wed Sep 1, 10:44 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Wed Sep 1, 8:21 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 6:40 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Thu Sep 2, 7:59 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, David Santamauro, (Wed Sep 1, 11:53 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Wed Sep 1, 12:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, David Santamauro, (Wed Sep 1, 12:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 7:00 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Hakan Koseoglu, (Thu Sep 2, 7:06 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 7:24 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Wed Sep 8, 11:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Wed Sep 1, 12:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, David Santamauro, (Wed Sep 1, 1:08 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Wed Sep 1, 1:13 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Thu Sep 2, 7:13 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Thu Sep 2, 8:55 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Fri Sep 3, 4:59 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Fri Sep 3, 7:25 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 6:40 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Rustom Mody, (Fri Sep 3, 12:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 6:52 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, David Santamauro, (Fri Sep 3, 12:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Thu Sep 9, 12:05 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, David Santamauro, (Thu Sep 9, 10:26 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 7:04 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Arvind Venkatasubramanian..., (Fri Sep 3, 1:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 7:16 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 7:11 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Sat Sep 4, 7:16 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Rustom Mody, (Sat Sep 4, 8:10 am)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Rustom Mody, (Sat Sep 4, 11:37 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sun Sep 5, 12:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 7:50 am)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Sat Sep 4, 8:04 am)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Fri Sep 17, 8:20 am)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Sat Sep 4, 9:47 am)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Fri Sep 3, 2:26 pm)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Brent Busby, (Fri Sep 3, 3:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Ken Restivo, (Thu Sep 9, 12:01 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Fri Sep 3, 5:12 am)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Louigi Verona, (Fri Sep 3, 6:22 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Sat Sep 4, 6:32 am)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, Dave Phillips, (Wed Sep 1, 1:40 pm)
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Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, James Morris, (Wed Sep 1, 12:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music, david, (Wed Sep 1, 7:37 am)
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