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From: "fons@kokkinizita.net" 
To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 7:25:09 AM

Subject: Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music
So while we *do* have impulses to behave in a very sexual way, or be

violent, and those do indeed come from 'deep inside' and belong to the

unconscious in the Freudian sense, it is not those that are being

manipulated, but in general it is the rationalisation process which

clearly does *not* belong the the unconscious - not even if many of our

rationalisations are in fact just excuses.
This also means that the responsability for accepting any product and

the rationalisation for doing so lies with those who do accept it. You

may think, and I agree, that trying to lure people into doing certain

things is not nice, but it is just an attempt - the final decision is

made by the target, not by the 'manipulator'.

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Interesting viewpoint.  How does this compare with the effect of a parent

singing a lullaby to a screaming, non-vocabulary infant and immediately calming

the infant?  Is the non-vocabulary infant making a conscious decision to stop

crying, even though other internal and external stimuli may be present and it

doesn't understand the vocabulary the parent is using?
Best,

Stephen.

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From: "fons@kokkinizita.net" <fons@kokkinizita.net>To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.orgSent: Sat, September 4, 2010 7:25:09 AMSubject: Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music

So while we *do* have impulses to behave in a very sexual way, or be violent, and those do indeed come from 'deep inside' and belong to theunconscious in the Freudian sense, it is not those that are being manipulated, but in general it is the rationalisation process whichclearly does *not* belong the the unconscious - not even if many of ourrationalisations are in fact just excuses.This also means that the responsability for accepting any product andthe rationalisation for doing so lies with those who do accept it. Youmay think, and I agree, that trying to lure people into doing certainthings is not nice, but it is just an attempt - the final decision ismade by the target, not by the 'manipulator'. ----------------Interesting viewpoint.  How does this compare with the effect of a parent singing a lullaby to a screaming, non-vocabulary infant and immediately calming the infant?  Is the

 non-vocabulary infant making a conscious decision to stop crying, even though other internal and external stimuli may be present and it doesn't understand the vocabulary the parent is using?Best,Stephen.
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