Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups

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To: Louigi Verona <louigi.verona@...>
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Date: Friday, July 2, 2010 - 8:33 am

Louigi Verona wrote:

Louigi,
I wrote that and I don't think it is vague or a generalization.
It is very simple, someone who has honed his skills over years and
eventually can use it for his creativity to produce something that's
worthwhile for others to hear - be it a composition, a rendering of a
composition or an improvisation (free or based on a composition) - is
entitled:
A to get recognition for his work and
B get the financial reward as valued by the audience (be it via the box
office, the record company er else).
I, as a performer would be very annoyed if somebody uses a recording of
me (solo or in a combo or big band) without recognizing the work I did
and not asking me if he/she could use my recording. In my eyes that is
simply courtesy. I don't mean he/she has to pay me, that has nothing to
do with it.
I disagree. Taking samples has nothing to do with skills, only with
using the skills of somebody else who developed the program used for
ripping.
I'm not talking about the gratitude you get from playing with samples.
It can be great fun for yourself to do that. It is something else if you
sells it A as music (which it isn't, in my opinion) and B give not
credit to the original creator.
If you mean musically, sure but why is that a problem? they may have
other skills which are better suited to their personality. But that's
not the problem. The problem nowadays is that most people want to be
great performers without the talent and the drive to develop the
necessary skills by years and years of tedious practice.
and strictly speaking, although we do attribute from
This is utter bullshit! I agree completely that creativity is one of the
purest joys. I am always the most happy on stage performing with my
combo. But spiritual experience!, give me a break! There is nothing
spiritual in it. Only the purest joy that you can use the skills,
acquired over the years to give the audience your creativity and be
rewarded by it (not financially, that is only a necessity for bread and
butter, etc. as has been said several times in this thread).
Every craftsman experiences it. A friend of mine is cabinet maker. He
has the same creative experiences when he is working on a cabinet and I
think all craftsmen have it. But also amateurs experience it. when a
student of mine plays a piece (either jazz or classical) and he performs
it well (even in his own eyes) he experiences it. But spiritual comes
never in it. If I understand your meaning correctly.
Yes we are indebted to all people doing jobs for us (plumbers, doctors,
workmen, etc. But we have an effective way of coping with it: it is
called payment.

Sorry if I sound somewhat rantish,
Joep
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Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Philipp √úberbacher, (Mon Jun 28, 10:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue Jun 29, 7:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jun 29, 11:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:07 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Kevin Cosgrove, (Wed Jun 30, 10:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:53 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Fri Jul 2, 12:52 am)
[LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gordon JC Pearce, (Fri Jul 16, 7:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Mark Knecht, (Fri Jul 16, 11:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Louigi Verona, (Sat Jul 17, 7:44 am)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., hermann, (Fri Jul 16, 8:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gwenhwyfaer, (Fri Jul 16, 9:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., James Stone, (Sat Jul 17, 10:14 am)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gwenhwyfaer, (Mon Jul 19, 5:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Jul 17, 12:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Folderol, (Sat Jul 17, 12:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Folderol, (Fri Jul 16, 7:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Bob van der Poel, (Thu Jul 15, 11:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Fri Jul 16, 11:36 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Joep L. Blom, (Fri Jul 2, 8:33 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed Jun 30, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Philipp √úberbacher, (Wed Jun 30, 4:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed Jun 30, 2:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:12 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Fri Jul 2, 12:50 am)