Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups

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To: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@...>
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Date: Friday, July 2, 2010 - 6:37 am

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guys!

an interesting point was raised here that if you use someone else's work
without creating original music, then you do not use your skill and thus owe
something to someone.

this, in my opinion, is a vague generalization.

1. sometimes it does require quite a lot of skill. one thing to just take
samples, another - make something decent out of it all.

2. taking samples and working with them is a lot of fun and i would argue
does require skill, simply skill of a different sort than composing original
music. a lot of people who love to do mash ups can do original music as
well, me included. i have a whole collection of tunes where the principle
was to use only someone else's samples. it's a very creative process and
there are masters of that kind of thing around, which are admired and which
do wonders with those samples.

3. i think a lot of the problems with who owes who raises from the fact that
music is so reward heavy. if you are an artist, you expect money, fame and
respect. but we forget that talent in itself is a great-great gift. and not
all people have inspiration and ability to create something wondeful. and
strictly speaking, although we do attribute from an economic perspective
everything to a person who composed something, we should not be blind to
spiritual side of things. many composers and talented artists in other
fields often say that they feel they are driven by some power when they
write their works. and this delicate spiritual experience which endlessly
enriches the soul of an artist is such an important gift, that at times i
think the artist benefits by simply being an artist. it is a benefit which
obviously not a lot of people can or want to recognize, but it's there and
those who do not see it obviously never experienced the power of inspiration
and the boundless happiness that creativity gives.
so i think in general people do not owe anything to artist. if we go that
rode, then we all owe to each other and artists are in a huge debt to people
who build houses, cook food and, of course, we are all in debted to
plumbers.

louigi.

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guys!an interesting point was raised here that if you use someone e=
lse's work without creating original music, then you do not use your sk=
ill and thus owe something to someone.this, in my opinion, is a vag=
ue generalization.
1. sometimes it does require quite a lot of skill. one thing to just ta=
ke samples, another - make something decent out of it all.2. taking=
samples and working with them is a lot of fun and i would argue does requi=
re skill, simply skill of a different sort than composing original music. a=
lot of people who love to do mash ups can do original music as well, me in=
cluded. i have a whole collection of tunes where the principle was to use o=
nly someone else's samples. it's a very creative process and there =
are masters of that kind of thing around, which are admired and which do wo=
nders with those samples.
3. i think a lot of the problems with who owes who raises from the fact=
that music is so reward heavy. if you are an artist, you expect money, fam=
e and respect. but we forget that talent in itself is a great-great gift. a=
nd not all people have inspiration and ability to create something wondeful=
. and strictly speaking, although we do attribute from an economic perspect=
ive everything to a person who composed something, we should not be blind t=
o spiritual side of things. many composers and talented artists in other fi=
elds often say that they feel they are driven by some power when they write=
their works. and this delicate spiritual experience which endlessly enrich=
es the soul of an artist is such an important gift, that at times i think t=
he artist benefits by simply being an artist. it is a benefit which obvious=
ly not a lot of people can or want to recognize, but it's there and tho=
se who do not see it obviously never experienced the power of inspiration a=
nd the boundless happiness that creativity gives.
so i think in general people do not owe anything to artist. if we go that r=
ode, then we all owe to each other and artists are in a huge debt to people=
who build houses, cook food and, of course, we are all in debted to plumbe=
rs.
louigi.

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Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Philipp Überbacher, (Mon Jun 28, 10:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue Jun 29, 7:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jun 29, 11:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:07 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Kevin Cosgrove, (Wed Jun 30, 10:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:53 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Fri Jul 2, 12:52 am)
[LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gordon JC Pearce, (Fri Jul 16, 7:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Mark Knecht, (Fri Jul 16, 11:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Louigi Verona, (Sat Jul 17, 7:44 am)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., hermann, (Fri Jul 16, 8:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gwenhwyfaer, (Fri Jul 16, 9:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., James Stone, (Sat Jul 17, 10:14 am)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gwenhwyfaer, (Mon Jul 19, 5:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Jul 17, 12:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Folderol, (Sat Jul 17, 12:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Folderol, (Fri Jul 16, 7:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Bob van der Poel, (Thu Jul 15, 11:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Fri Jul 16, 11:36 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Louigi Verona, (Fri Jul 2, 6:37 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed Jun 30, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Jun 30, 4:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed Jun 30, 2:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:12 am)
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