Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups

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To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@...>
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Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 - 8:51 pm

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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:

>

Hey Mark!
I like the points you make, but in my opinion, having discussed copyright a
lot and working
directly with major labels and publishers as my day job, I can tell you that
the link that we make
between making copies of artists' work and their wages have nothing in
common. Copies
almost never benefited musicians and when you are downloading music off of
torrents, trust me -
you are not making any musician poor - I see those contracts and in real
life 90% of musicians
don't get a penny anyway, even if you are buying it. This is just how it
works. This is how it always
worked. In fact, if you look around, you will see that since the come of
Internet streets of cities did
not become filled with starving musicians. That's because they are not
really starving.

It is important that artists be paid wages, if they choose to be
professionals (nobody is forcing them
to do music, btw, it should be a calling, ideally), but it is also important
to not put the burden of
responsibility on people who simply know how to use modern technology. Even
if we force people
to think that copying is bad, several generations more and a concept of NOT
copying will be alien to
people. Copying becomes better and better and in 10-20 years I bet you would
be able to copy all
book ever written to a small device within a couple of minutes. It is not
science fiction anymore. And
artists will continue to create and have wages.

Just to try to bring in some real life, none of my musicians friends, who
are professionals, make money
byselling copies of their work - none. And my musician friends range from
computer music composers
who write for games and movies, to rock, folk and classical musicians. They
all live fine and don't care
about copies. Seriously. Looking around I do not see a problem at all.

--
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/

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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Mark K=
necht <markkne=
cht@gmail.com
> wrote:

Anyway, I don't suppose my views are very popular among the majority
of folks that might be reading this. I actually think it's very
important that artists be paid a living wage. Once we start bringing
the 0.1% of them that are monster money makers into the discussion it
gets pretty crazy pretty quickly but the 99.9% of them that cannot
make a living really are, in my opinion, hurt financially by all of
this.

Keep in mind that this is not _only_ about the headliner - it's also
about composers, arrangers, back-up musicians, etc, that never make a
penny from the band playing live.

Cheers,
Mark

Hey Mark!I like the points you m=
ake, but in my opinion, having discussed copyright a lot and workingdir=
ectly with major labels and publishers as my day job, I can tell you that t=
he link that we make
between making copies of artists' work and their wages have nothing in =
common. Copiesalmost never benefited musicians and when you are downloa=
ding music off of torrents, trust me -you are not making any musician p=
oor - I see those contracts and in real life 90% of musicians
don't get a penny anyway, even if you are buying it. This is just how i=
t works. This is how it alwaysworked. In fact, if you look around, you =
will see that since the come of Internet streets of cities didnot becom=
e filled with starving musicians. That's because they are not really st=
arving.
It is important that artists be paid wages, if they choose to be profes=
sionals (nobody is forcing themto do music, btw, it should be a calling=
, ideally), but it is also important to not put the burden ofresponsibi=
lity on people who simply know how to use modern technology. Even if we for=
ce people
to think that copying is bad, several generations more and a concept of NOT=
copying will be alien topeople. Copying becomes better and better and =
in 10-20 years I bet you would be able to copy allbook ever written to =
a small device within a couple of minutes. It is not science fiction anymor=
e. And
artists will continue to create and have wages.Just to try to bring=
in some real life, none of my musicians friends, who are professionals, ma=
ke moneybyselling copies of their work - none. And my musician friends =
range from computer music composers
who write for games and movies, to rock, folk and classical musicians. They=
all live fine and don't careabout copies. Seriously. Looking aroun=
d I do not see a problem at all.-- Louigi=
Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/

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Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Philipp Überbacher, (Mon Jun 28, 10:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue Jun 29, 7:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Jun 29, 11:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Louigi Verona, (Tue Jun 29, 8:51 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:07 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Kevin Cosgrove, (Wed Jun 30, 10:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:53 am)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Fri Jul 2, 12:52 am)
[LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gordon JC Pearce, (Fri Jul 16, 7:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Mark Knecht, (Fri Jul 16, 11:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Louigi Verona, (Sat Jul 17, 7:44 am)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., hermann, (Fri Jul 16, 8:15 pm)
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Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., James Stone, (Sat Jul 17, 10:14 am)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Gwenhwyfaer, (Mon Jul 19, 5:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] So long, and thanks for all the fish., Patrick Shirkey, (Sat Jul 17, 12:09 pm)
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Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Bob van der Poel, (Thu Jul 15, 11:11 pm)
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Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed Jun 30, 1:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Philipp Überbacher, (Wed Jun 30, 4:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed Jun 30, 2:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups, Patrick Shirkey, (Thu Jul 1, 12:12 am)
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