Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-)

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Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 12:55 am

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I vote for the Yamaha card being the **coogie** recording. I can't imagine Yamaha ever releasing a grand piano soundfont sounding as tinny as **gnulem**. E-Mu, however, would.

Stephen.

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From: Niels Mayer
To: Julien Claassen
Cc: LAU
Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 2:05:25 PM
Subject: Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-)

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Julien Claassen wrote:

Hi Julien -- you're welcome, and thanks for sharing your music and
starting this interesting thread.

If I had time/desire, i'd probably look into using
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rbd/doc/nyquist/ to solve this problem.

FYI, here's how this MIDI sounds, on the Yamaha DB60XG (NEC XR-385)
whose analog output is recorded by the line-in/waveblaster input on
the Terratec DMX6Fire; versus an external sampler with a 2mb
"professional" stereo grand sample (E-MU Elements of Sound 2mb
collectiion) and external outboard "professional" room/ambience
applied, staying entirely in the digital domain from samples to
recording.

I'll let people decide which is which, and which sounds better or more
realistic and piano-like:
http://nielsmayer.com/npm/chpn_op53_gnulem.ogg
http://nielsmayer.com/npm/chpn_op53_coggie.ogg

Both created from:
## file ~/Music/piano-midi/chpn_op53.mid
/home/npm/Music/piano-midi/chpn_op53.mid: Standard MIDI data (format
1) using 8 tracks at 1/480

Niels
http://nielsmayer.com

PS: When using kmid to listen to the piano-only MIDI files from
http://piano-midi.de/ -- they're all very quiet. since the overall
volume level on the Yamaha db60xg is adjusted for playing multiple
(16) simultaneous tracks of "pop" music as opposed to a single
piano.... So after running "kmid *.mid *.MID", I quit kmid, and run
the following script to set all the volumes to 200% on these files:
.........
## with this setting, set Terratec DMX6Fire ADC2(LineL)/ADC3(LineR)
## to 135/135 (normally 127/127 == unity gain)
cd ~/.kde/share/apps/kmid/songlib
sed -i 's|^volume=100|volume=200|' `grep -l piano-midi *.cfg`
...........

Afterwards, running kmid on these files will automatically have the
volume level at a more normal leve (200%), which is still well below
clipping on most files I've auditioned using unity gain on the
soundcard input.
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I vote for the Yamaha card being the **coogie** recording.  I can't imagine Yamaha ever releasing a grand piano soundfont sounding as tinny as **gnulem**.  E-Mu, however, would.Stephen.From: Niels Mayer <nielsmayer@gmail.com>To: Julien Claassen <julien@c-lab.de>Cc: LAU <linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 2:05:25 PMSubject: Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-)
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Julien Claassen <julien@c-lab.de> wrote:> Hello Niels!>  Thanks for these tarballs. As for the other tools you mentioned: Although I> like the commandline I know no such things. I know, that Timidity estimates> the playback length of one file. And I'm sure there are other tools> libraries that can easily do it. But noone I know of, thought of this kind> of problem.Hi Julien -- you're welcome, and thanks for sharing your music andstarting this interesting thread.If I had time/desire, i'd probably look into usinghttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rbd/doc/nyquist/ to solve this problem.FYI, here's how this MIDI sounds, on the Yamaha DB60XG (NEC XR-385)whose analog output is recorded by the
line-in/waveblaster input onthe Terratec DMX6Fire; versus an external sampler with a 2mb"professional" stereo grand sample (E-MU Elements of Sound 2mbcollectiion) and external outboard "professional" room/ambienceapplied, staying entirely in the digital domain from samples torecording.I'll let people decide which is which, and which sounds better or morerealistic and piano-like:http://nielsmayer.com/npm/chpn_op53_gnulem.ogghttp://nielsmayer.com/npm/chpn_op53_coggie.oggBoth created from:## file ~/Music/piano-midi/chpn_op53.mid/home/npm/Music/piano-midi/chpn_op53.mid: Standard MIDI data (format1) using 8 tracks at 1/480Nielshttp://nielsmayer.comPS: When using kmid to listen to the piano-only MIDI files fromhttp://piano-midi.de/ -- they're all very quiet. since the overallvolume level on the Yamaha db60xg is adjusted for playing multiple(16) simultaneous tracks of "pop" music as opposed to a singlepiano.... So after running "kmid *.mid *.MID", I quit kmid, and runthe following script to set all the volumes to 200% on these files:.........## with this setting, set Terratec DMX6Fire ADC2(LineL)/ADC3(LineR)##  to 135/135 (normally 127/127 == unity gain)cd ~/.kde/share/apps/kmid/songlibsed -i 's|^volume=100|volume=200|' `grep -l piano-midi *.cfg`...........Afterwards, running kmid on these files will automatically have thevolume level at a more normal leve (200%), which is still well belowclipping on
most files I've auditioned using unity gain on thesoundcard input._______________________________________________Linux-audio-user mailing listLinux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.orghttp://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user

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[LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sat Jun 19, 1:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), alexander, (Sun Jun 20, 1:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), M Watts, (Sun Jun 20, 11:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:09 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Mon Jun 21, 2:26 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), M Watts, (Mon Jun 21, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:19 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Mon Jun 21, 7:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Stephen Stubbs, (Tue Jun 22, 12:55 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Joep L. Blom, (Mon Jun 21, 9:42 pm)
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Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Tue Jun 22, 1:14 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Tue Jun 22, 9:46 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Tue Jun 22, 9:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Josh Lawrence, (Fri Jun 25, 2:59 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Tue Jun 22, 9:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Wed Jun 23, 1:37 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Thu Jun 24, 7:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Wed Jun 23, 3:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 3:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Josh Lawrence, (Sat Jun 19, 9:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), M Watts, (Sun Jun 20, 11:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sat Jun 19, 10:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Rustom Mody, (Sun Jun 20, 2:42 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Stephen Stubbs, (Sun Jun 20, 1:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 3:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:26 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 8:02 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Rustom Mody, (Sun Jun 20, 11:38 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 3:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Joep L. Blom, (Sun Jun 20, 7:59 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 11:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:29 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:17 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Rustom Mody, (Mon Jun 21, 4:04 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Jack O'Quin, (Sat Jun 19, 10:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sat Jun 19, 10:55 pm)