Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-)

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To: Julien Claassen <julien@...>
Cc: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@...>
Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010 - 11:50 pm

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 00:55:03 +0200 (CEST)
Julien Claassen wrote:

> Hi Jack!

Hello Julien,
your method is indeed very common in jazz and very unusual in classical
music. I have studied for years classical guitar at public classic-music
school (which here in Italy, in my experience, are at a good level) and
the method is learning the notes from the score - AFAIK blind people
usually learn first the braille-score by heart. Record-listening is
indeed encouraged but only to study the expression, the touch etc.
Personally I have grown sick with this, not so much for classical music
which is a very good thing to study, but for the attitude of training
executors quite unaware of what is going on in the music "behind the
scenes", harmonically etc. Let alone composition: most classical
executors have great difficulties in playing a few notes of their own.
So I moved on to study jazz and... I found it much more challenging!!
The difficult part is developing the ear, and indeed a very
useful exercise is to "take down" solos - more or less how you learn
Bach (play some bars, try it, repeat etc). Of course there are
transcriptions of famous solos but you don't learn as much if you
learn something from a transcription rather than by ear.

One difference: in jazz, once I learned a phrase, an entire solo or
part of it, almost never will I execute it that exact same way in my
solos.

kind regards,
Renato

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[LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sat Jun 19, 1:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), alexander, (Sun Jun 20, 1:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), M Watts, (Sun Jun 20, 11:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:09 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Mon Jun 21, 2:26 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), M Watts, (Mon Jun 21, 10:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:19 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Mon Jun 21, 7:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Stephen Stubbs, (Tue Jun 22, 12:55 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Joep L. Blom, (Mon Jun 21, 9:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Joshua Boyd, (Mon Jun 21, 9:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Tue Jun 22, 1:14 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Tue Jun 22, 9:46 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Tue Jun 22, 9:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Josh Lawrence, (Fri Jun 25, 2:59 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Tue Jun 22, 9:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Wed Jun 23, 1:37 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Niels Mayer, (Thu Jun 24, 7:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Wed Jun 23, 3:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 8:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 3:33 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Josh Lawrence, (Sat Jun 19, 9:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), M Watts, (Sun Jun 20, 11:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sat Jun 19, 10:30 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Rustom Mody, (Sun Jun 20, 2:42 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Stephen Stubbs, (Sun Jun 20, 1:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 3:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:26 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 8:02 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Rustom Mody, (Sun Jun 20, 11:38 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 3:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Joep L. Blom, (Sun Jun 20, 7:59 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 11:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:29 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Mon Jun 21, 10:17 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Rustom Mody, (Mon Jun 21, 4:04 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sun Jun 20, 8:13 am)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Jack O'Quin, (Sat Jun 19, 10:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Julien Claassen, (Sat Jun 19, 10:55 pm)
Re: [LAU] A Bach in appology and completeness :-), Renato, (Sat Jun 19, 11:50 pm)