Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 & CCRMA

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To: Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora@...>
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Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010 - 9:34 pm

On 05/15/2010 09:56 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:

I appreciate that you have personally had a lot of trouble with Pulse
Audio and that integrating it has caused a lot of pain. I have also
experienced the pain and I have also read innumerable reports from other
users. I have definitely attempted to work with the PA team on providing
feedback and have reported my results to this list in excruciating detail.

What makes me laugh is that apart from your personal quest to rid the
world of Pulse Audio on the desktop you are representing Fedora. In my
communications with Lennart he has been very positive in his support of
Fedora's integration efforts for PA and in the past has been quite
dismissive of the efforts made by people on the Ubuntu team. Now what we
have is the Ubuntu team actively pushing the full integration of PA with
Jack ootb and here is one of the core Fedora crew saying that they would
prefer not to ever have to deal with PA ever again and no one else
should have to either.

It makes me wonder if outside forces are not influencing things to
increase confusion and instability for desktop users. They used to have
the ubuntu team in their pockets and now it appears they have managed to
get a spanner in the works at Fedora. Or are you just a lone wolf
defending the world against injustice and attempting to minimise the
hassles you have experienced caused by the headaches of working with PA?
Of course the same could be said of Lennart's often caustic
communication methods being detrimental to progress and it also appears
that you two have some personal issues to sort out which is not helping
anything.

BTW, I completely and wholeheartedly *disagree* with you that PA is a
toy. It is used on Palm, Nokia, and I just found out about Android to
deliver the audio system. In addition to mobile fast becoming the status
quo, having a fully integrated desktop and mobile experience is a
worthwhile pursuit. Maybe you just need a break from working on audio
desktop integration for a while. If you want to farm that out then
contact me privately as I have some spare time these days I could put
into it especially if the funding is available.

Fully integrating the professional a/v stack on Fedora ootb is something
that could use a little attention. I haven't upgraded to f13 yet but f12
is still having some issues in terms of getting various apps to work
together in a fluid system.

I have lots more to add as I have been working with Fedora since f7
which is almost 5 years now specifically because it had the official
endorsement of Lennart for PA integration so I wanted to find out what
all the fuss was about and was sick of hearing this debate when no one
would provide any specific evidence of PA's shortcomings other than "it
didn't work for me so I uninstalled it".

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

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[LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Sat May 15, 2:48 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Orcan Ogetbil, (Sat May 15, 3:34 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat May 15, 11:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Orcan Ogetbil, (Sat May 15, 11:57 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 & CCRMA, Patrick Shirkey, (Sat May 15, 9:34 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Sat May 15, 4:33 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Sat May 15, 7:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Sun May 16, 7:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 17, 1:23 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Orcan Ogetbil, (Sun May 16, 8:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Mon May 17, 12:19 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Sun May 16, 9:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Niels Mayer, (Mon May 17, 12:02 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Mon May 17, 1:27 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 17, 2:13 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Niels Mayer, (Mon May 17, 5:36 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 17, 5:49 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 17, 5:54 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Wed May 19, 9:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, S C Rigler, (Wed May 19, 10:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 24, 7:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Wed May 19, 11:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Orcan Ogetbil, (Thu May 20, 1:37 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Thu May 20, 2:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Paul Davis, (Thu May 20, 2:44 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Wed May 19, 11:49 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Thu May 20, 2:39 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Paul Davis, (Thu May 20, 12:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Thu May 20, 1:39 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Scott, (Thu May 20, 4:20 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Niels Mayer, (Thu May 20, 4:48 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Thu May 20, 1:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Thu May 20, 2:14 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Thu May 20, 2:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Mon May 17, 3:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 17, 5:36 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Mon May 17, 2:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Jeremy, (Mon May 17, 8:47 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon May 17, 1:32 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 17, 1:59 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Rick Green, (Sun May 16, 7:15 pm)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Orcan Ogetbil, (Sat May 15, 7:01 am)
Re: [LAU] Fedora 12 &amp; CCRMA, Ng Oon-Ee, (Sat May 15, 2:53 am)