Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)

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Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 8:06 pm

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>From my recent research getting an ice1724 card working (Dynex dx-sc51 a
cheap 5.1 channel 1723 "Via Tremor" available in a zillion configurations
and boards -- the only reason I bother with this P.O.S. is that it has a
waveterminal header for my Yamaha DB60XG), I've learned this is an issue
that affects a lot of people and not only prosumer cards like the M-audio
Delta (ice1712) but also low-end and including built-in to motherboards and
media stations:

This particular card for example is documented as working with the following
( http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.tx...):

Module snd-ice1724

------------------

> Module for Envy24HT (VT/ICE1724), Envy24PT (VT1720) based PCI sound

* MidiMan M Audio Revolution 5.1

* MidiMan M Audio Revolution 7.1

* MidiMan M Audio Audiophile 192

* AMP Ltd AUDIO2000

* TerraTec Aureon 5.1 Sky

* TerraTec Aureon 7.1 Space

* TerraTec Aureon 7.1 Universe

* TerraTec Phase 22

* TerraTec Phase 28

* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1

* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 LT

* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 XT

* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 HIFI

* AudioTrak Prodigy 7.1 HD2

* AudioTrak Prodigy 192

* Pontis MS300

* Albatron K8X800 Pro II

* Chaintech ZNF3-150

* Chaintech ZNF3-250

* Chaintech 9CJS

* Chaintech AV-710

* Shuttle SN25P

* Onkyo SE-90PCI

* Onkyo SE-200PCI

* ESI Juli@

* ESI Maya44

* Hercules Fortissimo IV

* EGO-SYS WaveTerminal 192M

> model - Use the given board model, one of the following:

revo51, revo71, amp2000, prodigy71, prodigy71lt,

prodigy71xt, prodigy71hifi, prodigyhd2, prodigy192,

juli, aureon51, aureon71, universe, ap192, k8x800,

phase22, phase28, ms300, av710, se200pci, se90pci,

fortissimo4, sn25p, WT192M, maya44

Unfortunately my $5.00 card
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724#Dynex_DX-SC51, though claimed to
be supported in ALSA isn't supported very well because there's no
special-case code telling how many DACs, how many MPU401 ports, etc:

> ICE1724 0000:01:07.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKB] -> GSI 19 (level, low) ->
IRQ 19

Fortunately, when I play one of the Yamaha XG wunder-midi (
http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php ) through this $5 Dynex -- really
just a glorified holder for my Yamaha db60xg --I hear shredding on my
headphones and I know all is well: "aplaymidi -p 40:0 vchile.mid" :-). Or as
I told my sister, "best damn $20.00 synthesizer I ever bought"... reply:
"twenty dollar synthesizer" that sounds like a good band-name!

With the above error message the Dynex comes up in a minimal 2-channel
mode... trying different similar model= configurations, jackd pukes all over
the place (sometimes locking up the machine trying to open 8 dacs when only
6 available etc)... I finally got SPDIF working, using 'plug' to keep it
from balking at source-material that isn't in the exact same S32_LE
bitformat needed by the card.

Checking the sourcecode to see what was up w/ it's total lack of 5.1-ness,
and also to decide which model= variants to try, I noted a giant unworkable
pain in the butt (this "1712" code also includes the 1724):
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=tree;...

This results in all manner of problems and workaraounds for very minor
variants of essentially the same chip: http://envy24.svobodno.com/ (mine's
not on there boohoo).

Multichannel sound is a big problem, with the following as good proof:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843012

Also a problem -- digital outs, both under ALSA and pulseaudio:
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut

I think it all needs to be solved, once and for all, across-the-board
without dividing into camps and pointing fingers.

-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com

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To clarify, I meant to ask if chips, other than ice1712 are affected.
From my recent research getting an ice1724 card working=
(Dynex dx-sc51 a cheap 5.1 channel 1723 "Via Tremor" available i=
n a zillion configurations and boards -- the only reason I bother with this=
P.O.S. is that it has a waveterminal header for my Yamaha DB60XG), I'v=
e learned=C2=A0this is an issue that affects a lot of people and not only p=
rosumer cards like the M-audio Delta (ice1712) but also low-end and=C2=A0in=
cluding built-in to motherboards and media stations:
This particular card for example is documented as worki=
ng with the following (=C2=A0http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documenta=
tion/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt
):

=C2=A0=C2=A0Module snd-ice1724
=C2=A0=C2=A0------------------

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Module for Envy24HT (VT/ICE1724), Envy24PT (VT1720) base=
d PCI sound cards.
* MidiMa=
n M Audio Revolution 5.1
* MidiMa=
n M Audio Revolution 7.1
* MidiMa=
n M Audio Audiophile 192
* AMP Lt=
d AUDIO2000
* TerraT=
ec Aureon 5.1 Sky
* TerraT=
ec Aureon 7.1 Space
* TerraT=
ec Aureon 7.1 Universe
* TerraT=
ec Phase 22
* TerraT=
ec Phase 28
* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1
* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 LT
* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 XT
* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 HIFI
* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 7.1 HD2
* AudioT=
rak Prodigy 192
* Pontis=
MS300
* Albatr=
on K8X800 Pro II=C2=A0
* Chaint=
ech ZNF3-150
* Chaint=
ech ZNF3-250
* Chaint=
ech 9CJS
* Chaint=
ech AV-710
* Shuttl=
e SN25P
* Onkyo =
SE-90PCI
* Onkyo =
SE-200PCI
* ESI Ju=
li@
* ESI Ma=
ya44
* Hercul=
es Fortissimo IV
* EGO-SY=
S WaveTerminal 192M

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0model =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Use the given board model, =
one of the following:
=C2=A0re=
vo51, revo71, amp2000, prodigy71, prodigy71lt,
=C2=A0pr=
odigy71xt, prodigy71hifi, prodigyhd2, prodigy192,
=C2=A0ju=
li, aureon51, aureon71, universe, ap192, k8x800,
=C2=A0ph=
ase22, phase28, ms300, av710, se200pci, se90pci,
=C2=A0fo=
rtissimo4, sn25p, WT192M, maya44Unfortunat=
ely my $5.00 card=C2=A0http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ice1724#Dynex_DX-SC51=
, though claimed to be supported in ALSA isn't supported very well beca=
use there's no special-case code telling how many DACs, how many MPU401=
ports, etc:

odel found for ID 0xc3140517>=C2=A0ice1724: Invalid EEPROM ve=
rsion 1
Fortunately, when I play one of the Yamaha XG wunder-mi=
di (=C2=A0http://www.b=
lueman.name/Creations_XG.php
=C2=A0) through this $5 Dynex --=C2=A0reall=
y just a glorified holder for my Yamaha db60xg --I hear shredding on my hea=
dphones and I know all is well: "aplaymidi -p 40:0 vchile.mid" :-=
). Or as I told my sister, "best damn $20.00 synthesizer I ever bought=
"... reply: "twenty dollar synthesizer" that sounds like a g=
ood band-name!
With the above error message the Dynex comes up in a mi=
nimal 2-channel mode... trying different similar model=3D configurations, j=
ackd pukes all over the place (sometimes locking up the machine trying to o=
pen 8 dacs when only 6 available etc)... I finally got SPDIF working, using=
'plug' to keep it from balking at source-material that isn't i=
n the exact same S32_LE bitformat needed by the card.=C2=A0
Checking the sourcecode to see what was up w/ it's =
total lack of 5.1-ness, and also to decide which model=3D variants to try, =
I noted=C2=A0a giant unworkable pain in the butt (this "1712" cod=
e also includes the 1724):
http://git.kernel.org/?p=
=3Dlinux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=3Dtree;f=3Dsound/pci/ice1712
This results in all manner of problems and workaraounds=
for very minor variants of essentially the same chip:=C2=A0
http://envy24.svobodno.com/=C2=A0(mine's n=
ot on there boohoo).
Multichannel sound is a big problem, with the fol=
lowing as good proof:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3D843012
Also a problem -- digital outs, both under ALSA a=
nd pulseaudio:=C2=A0
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut=C2=A0
I think it all needs to be solved, once and for all, across-the-board =
without dividing into camps and pointing fingers.=
-- Nielshttp://nielsmayer.com<=
/a>

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Messages in current thread:
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Tue May 11, 1:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Niels Mayer, (Tue May 11, 8:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Tue May 11, 5:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Wed May 12, 1:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Wed May 12, 3:54 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Wed May 12, 4:33 pm)
[LAU] Why JACK MIDI rocks (was Re: perhaps why some of us ha..., Gabriel M. Beddingfield, (Thu May 13, 1:40 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Wed May 12, 10:29 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Thu May 13, 10:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas, (Thu May 13, 10:06 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Philipp Überbacher, (Wed May 12, 12:58 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon May 10, 1:01 am)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., rosea.grammostola, (Mon May 10, 9:38 am)
Re: [LAU] jack and PulseAudio, Luka Princic // Nova deViator..., (Tue May 11, 8:34 am)
Re: [LAU] jack and PulseAudio, Ng Oon-Ee, (Tue May 11, 9:30 am)
Re: [LAU] jack and PulseAudio, david, (Wed May 12, 4:54 am)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., rosea.grammostola, (Mon May 10, 9:44 am)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., rosea.grammostola, (Mon May 10, 9:32 am)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Philipp Überbacher, (Mon May 10, 8:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulsea..., Philipp Überbacher, (Mon May 10, 8:27 pm)